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I'm always interested to read these types of threads.

The original poster mentions that he has a viable alternative job path in finance, through a family business. That's a luxury that most of us don't have -- a job waiting for us in another field whenever we want it. What that safety net in place, I'd say go ahead and give sports journalism a shot. My advice would be different if that wasn't the case.

As others have pointed out, the chances of working your way up the ladder are very low. If you're able to land a first job at a big, name-brand outlet, or someplace a step down from that, that's great. You'll won't escape the constant fear of being laid off. As someone else posted, seeing that happen to colleagues year after year is psychologically draining, even if it doesn't happen to you. But at least at a big outlet you'll be in a decent situation at a place that still has some semblance of a "sports department."

If you start out at a podunk community paper, your "department" might be just you. Or you plus one other person if you're lucky. And that means you'll have to be working all the time and doing everything -- writing, editing, page layout, photography, video, web publishing, social media, planning/organizing, and the list goes on. I think most people on this board would tell you that if your starting point is podunk, you're not going to make it to a major metro. May have been possible 20 or 30 years ago, but not anymore. So if your choice is between a podunk paper or the financial job, the latter is the much better option.

I worked at community papers for nearly 20 years and finally decided to get out. It was very hard to get my foot in the door elsewhere, but I eventually did and it was the best decision I ever made. I now work 40 hours a week instead of 55. I work no nights or weekends. And I took a significant step forward in salary. My quality of life is simply better now, and while I will always love sports journalism, I have no desire to go back.

Do what you think is best for you, be aware of the realities, and be glad you have an honest-to-goodness safety net. Most of us aren't so fortunate.
 
OK, I just waded through this very interesting thread while following hockey online (stupid NBC, putting game 7 on cable ...)

I would advise the OP — as some others have — to consider what attracted you to sportswriting/journalism in the first place.

Hopefully it's because you think newspapers are important to the community, and you have what it takes to continue that tradition while constantly bailing water off the Titanic.

I've been doing this for 20 years, and I'm making $33,500 a year (salary ... so hours past 40 don't count) as the assistant news editor/paginator/copy editor at a 20K daily in the Pacific Northwest. My wife is a teacher; otherwise, we couldn't afford to live where we do or to have a family. We walk a fine line financially, but we've made it work, and I feel very lucky about that.

Many, many friends and family members have told me to get out of this business ... and I have seriously considered it myself dozens of times, including interviewing for a job in another field in the 2000s.

What it comes back to for me is, despite the best efforts of individual newspaper owners and corporations, sometimes we really serve a purpose besides making some rich ******* a profit. Those moments are increasingly rare, due in large part to the dying business model and slashed newsroom staffs, but I've had them and I'll go to my grave proud of those moments.

Just my two cents. Good luck with your decision, OrgCritty.
 
I think there are a lot of people who have been in journalism for 10+ years who think they're not qualified to do anything else.

People even joke about it in newsrooms, but I think people start to believe it. I think that's why there are so few people who get out unless they get let go or if an offer falls into their lap. (That's changing a bit, but mostly as a result of the last several years of horrible job security.)

A former co-worker of mine (desker) was let go two years ago after being at the same paper for 20+ years and in the business for more than 30.

He now manages a sporting goods store and feels like he hit the lottery because he now can have a "normal" days off and work "normal" hours and sees more of his kids.
 
Just wish it was easy to find something other than sports and media that could hold my interest.
 
Like so many others, I'm really glad to see these threads pop up. They give me at least a semblance of hope that others are in the same boat and that we'll all figure this out together.
 
Mark2010 said:
Just wish it was easy to find something other than sports and media that could hold my interest.

It's easy to think that when you've been in that world for awhile.

I'm not going to lie, there are a few times a year where I'll be watching an event and I'll think for a second, "****, I would have been there for this..."

There are also countless times when I'm off on a weekend or celebrating Christmas without worrying about my phone ringing where I think, "I never would be able to do this if I was still covering the NFL."

I'm well aware that I will never have another job as exciting as covering sports was. But eventually, you, (or at least I did) you get used to it and come to peace with it.
 
rico_the_redneck said:
Like so many others, I'm really glad to see these threads pop up (along with Wicked's resurrection of the Getting Out thread). They give me at least a semblance of hope that others are in the same boat and that we'll all figure this out together.

I'm on news side at a small paper and a lot of what Coco talks about resonates. Calling government entities out when they misuse taxpayer dollars and then watching as they change policies as a result of a story I wrote is hugely rewarding. Working for a great boss that has turned a dog of a paper into one that's highly respected across the state is big. That kind of stuff keeps me going.

But on the other hand, I'm a few years past 40, wife and kids and I'm not even clearing $25k a year with a good seven years in the business. And has been mentioned, there's really no upside in newspapers these days. We're running barebones staff, no raises etc. So I keep punching the clock everyday, getting more and more depressed at the hopelessness of the situation, trying to figure out how to make $10-20k more a year at least to start. I know many on here have gone to PR type gigs. But that search seems too narrow in some ways. Wondering where others are looking and what I can do to improve my quality of life, even if that means being an admin assistant or something mundane that still pays double what I'm making now.

If you're making that little, getting out shouldn't even be a question. It's one thing when you're making $50K+ and you have to find a new gig where it pays as much or close to it to justify the move.

If you wake up every day excited to go to work and you don't care about the money, great, good for you... If it is an issue, you should have your resume circulating as quickly as possible.
 
Mizzougrad96 said:
rico_the_redneck said:
Like so many others, I'm really glad to see these threads pop up (along with Wicked's resurrection of the Getting Out thread). They give me at least a semblance of hope that others are in the same boat and that we'll all figure this out together.

I'm on news side at a small paper and a lot of what Coco talks about resonates. Calling government entities out when they misuse taxpayer dollars and then watching as they change policies as a result of a story I wrote is hugely rewarding. Working for a great boss that has turned a dog of a paper into one that's highly respected across the state is big. That kind of stuff keeps me going.

But on the other hand, I'm a few years past 40, wife and kids and I'm not even clearing $25k a year with a good seven years in the business. And has been mentioned, there's really no upside in newspapers these days. We're running barebones staff, no raises etc. So I keep punching the clock everyday, getting more and more depressed at the hopelessness of the situation, trying to figure out how to make $10-20k more a year at least to start. I know many on here have gone to PR type gigs. But that search seems too narrow in some ways. Wondering where others are looking and what I can do to improve my quality of life, even if that means being an admin assistant or something mundane that still pays double what I'm making now.

If you're making that little, getting out shouldn't even be a question. It's one thing when you're making $50K+ and you have to find a new gig where it pays as much or close to it to justify the move.

If you wake up every day excited to go to work and you don't care about the money, great, good for you... If it is an issue, you should have your resume circulating as quickly as possible.

It all comes down to one's individual situation and what is best for them. I worked at one newspaper for 14-plus years and loved my situation. But as I've mentioned, I'm a bachelor so I can afford to live on a lower salary, particularly when the cost of living is far less. Somebody with a wife and two kids might not be able to live on that salary I made, particularly if their cost of living is higher.

That's why, if somebody really wants to start out in the newspaper business and see if it's right for them, I recommend going to the papers in smaller communities, whether they are dailies or weeklies, because then you at least have a lower cost of living. In a smaller community, you have a good chance of finding a two-bedroom apartment or house for $500/month, which you can manage on a $25,000/year salary.

The problem is the larger publications seem content to offer $25,000/year or less to entry-level folks, when the chances of finding a two-bedroom apartment for $500/month is slim to none (or maybe "slum to none" since "slim" is likely in a slum). So, at least in a smaller community, you'll be able to find housing you can afford on that lower salary.

Plus, then you find out if you really are cut out to handle writing, photography, page layout and web uploading, all as part of your job duties, because those who have worked at smaller publications often took on multiple duties.

So, better to find out at a smaller gig if it's really what you want to do for a living, than do it at a larger paper at which it seems some higher-ups are hell bent on making low wages for a lot of work the norm.
 
If you're happy, by all means keep doing what you're doing...

I was never motivated by money during my journalism career. I made $34K my first year out of school. I realize that placed me in a rare and lucky class of journalists.

If I was making $25K at age 40 and had a wife and kids to help support, I can't imagine being happy in that situation unless my wife had a great job and money wasn't an issue.
 
$25K at age 40 would indeed make me think twice. The people I know in that situation who have stuck with it, like mizzou said, have a significant income on the other side of the family.
 
jr/shotglass said:
$25K at age 40 would indeed make me think twice. The people I know in that situation who have stuck with it, like mizzou said, have a significant income on the other side of the family.

Don't misunderstand. I'd love a job in another line of work that pays better. The next step I guess is figuring out what fields are likely to hire former journalists and how to go about a full-fledged job search centered around a career change.
 
Plenty of fields hire journalists. A LinkedIn profile helps, as does letting confidants know you are looking to change careers.
 
As long you can distinguish between curating and reporting. A trained monkey can do one but not the other.
 
I stopped moping around, thought outside the box, and found a few jobs that aren't journalism yet can build on my experience. I've already had one interview and I have another tomorrow.

Got a heads up about a third job and will be applying in the morning.

Plus, one of the folks I asked for a reference also gave me a heads up about another job that while is in journalism, it at least is in a bigger market, is a different responsibility with day-shift hours and doubles my pay so if things go south, at least I'll be in a better spot to start looking (this job, admittedly, would be my last resort.)

Moral of the story is even if an emo ******* like me can actually get an interview in another field, there's no reason you can't to. Of course, I hope I didn't just jinx myself...
 
I don't know of anyone who left newspapers - and this goes back to pre downturn - that didn't vastly improve their quality of life.
 
My circumstances have dramatically changed since I originally started this thread. It all happened pretty quickly, but I landed a mid-major college football and basketball beat for my first job out of college. It's at a small daily paper with miserable pay, but it's definitely not a step backward for me. The only way I was going to give journalism a shot was if a job opened up that I was genuinely excited about, and covering a relatively successful Div. 1 athletic program will do the trick.

After reading this thread, I honestly think I've over thought my situation. Just because I take this job doesn't mean I have to dedicate my life to newspapers. Worst case scenario, I do this for 2-3 years and if I can't find a better job in a bigger market by then, I can switch gears and work in finance. At least I'd know I gave it a shot. I know there's a high probability that I'm not going to work in sports journalism my entire life, but I'm 22. I don't need to make that decision right now. For now, I'm just going to try and have some fun while I still can.

Thanks to everyone who threw their two cents in. It was extremely helpful to me.
 

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