IF it were 2014....

[young-gun11]

... And we were looking at the four-team playoff... Who would be in the hunt?

Obviously, Notre Dame and the SEC winner would be in the game (Assuming each win this weekend). Then assuming Stanford beats UCLA twice in a row.. (wtf?) they're in. Does Kansas State or Florida/Florida State winner get the nod?

 

[LongTimeListener]

Oregon is right now three spots above Stanford so I don't know how Stanford would squeeze past them. Not saying they wouldn't, but I just don't know if that's possible.

I mentioned this on the other thread too, but anyone who thinks the four-team system is going to solve anything needs to take a hard look at this cluster****. A four-team system would reward Florida and Oregon for not making their conference championship games.

I'd say:

--Notre Dame vs. Oregon
--Alabama vs. Florida

 

[I Should Coco]

Dammit, young-gun ... you took my poll story idea!

It's an interesting topic, though.

The major fork in the road: conference champs, or multiple teams from the same conference?

Discuss.

 

[young-gun11]

Dammit, young-gun ... you took my poll story idea!

It's an interesting topic, though.

The major fork in the road: conference champs, or multiple teams from the same conference?

Discuss.

Well, ****. My bad.

LTL, you'd then have TWO teams who didn't win their conference's division in the hunt for a national title. The more serious question is... Are championship games really THAT bad for CFB?

 

[I Should Coco]

My thoughts: the four teams should be conference champs.

That way, the importance of the conference schedule is preserved, and in the leagues which have a conference championship, those games are de-facto national quarterfinals.

Oregon may finish this season with one loss, but if they aren't the "champion" of the Pac-12, they should not have a shot at the national title.

(I realize what that says about last year ... but that was the BCS system. The new system should favor conference champs).

 

[JakeandElwood]

Why would a two loss Stanford team be in? I don't think they'd have much of a shot at all with the one loss contenders. I would go: Notre Dame, Alabama/Georgia, Kansas State, Oregon, Florida St./Florida before getting in to any two loss teams.

 

[I Should Coco]

To wrap this up before counting poll ballots, here's my vote on who should get in this season if it's a four team playoff:

Notre Dame
Alabama/Georgia winner
Pac-12 champ (even if they have two losses)
Big 12 champ

I realize Notre Dame isn't technically a "conference champion," but the way things are going, they could be considered a quasi-ACC team by 2014, when the playoff kicks in. The Fighting Irish, at this point, are a kink in the armor of the conference champions only argument.

 

[JakeandElwood]

I would also be open to putting the Florida St./Florida winner ahead of Kansas State and Oregon, but that leaves the potential for two SEC teams, which I'm not sure the selection committee would want to do.

 

[Mizzougrad96]

Automatic bids would be a mess... Can you imagine the Big Ten Champion this year (with Ohio State ineligible) making the semifinals?

I have an issue with Florida being in a better position to make the semifinals than Georgia, which beat UF and won the SEC East.

The better option would be to get rid of the conference championship games. It was interesting that before last week's games, everybody seemed to think KSU had the easiest road there because they wouldn't have to play in one. Because of the $$$ involved, I'm guessing that's not going to happen...

 

[Versatile]

To wrap this up before counting poll ballots, here's my vote on who should get in this season if it's a four team playoff:

Notre Dame
Alabama/Georgia winner
Pac-12 champ (even if they have two losses)
Big 12 champ

I realize Notre Dame isn't technically a "conference champion," but the way things are going, they could be considered a quasi-ACC team by 2014, when the playoff kicks in. The Fighting Irish, at this point, are a kink in the armor of the conference champions only argument.

This is stupid. What if the top two teams are not conference champions, which still could happen this year?

 

[LongTimeListener]

How can anyone possibly consider K State? I am OK with allowing for a weird outcome (okie state-Iowa state in '11). But anyone who gets blown off the field by a sub-.500 is gone, end of discussion.

 

[Mizzougrad96]

It will definitely be a mess, but it's usually a mess...

If the computers/voters determine who would get in this year, there would almost definitely be two SEC teams in the semis.

 

[LongTimeListener]

My thoughts: the four teams should be conference champs.

That way, the importance of the conference schedule is preserved, and in the leagues which have a conference championship, those games are de-facto national quarterfinals.

Put this rule in and you can kiss the SEC goodbye, which means you can kiss the playoff goodbye. The SEC has two teams in the top four just about every year and isn't about to give up that spot.

 

[young-gun11]

To wrap this up before counting poll ballots, here's my vote on who should get in this season if it's a four team playoff:

Notre Dame
Alabama/Georgia winner
Pac-12 champ (even if they have two losses)
Big 12 champ

I realize Notre Dame isn't technically a "conference champion," but the way things are going, they could be considered a quasi-ACC team by 2014, when the playoff kicks in. The Fighting Irish, at this point, are a kink in the armor of the conference champions only argument.

This is stupid. What if the top two teams are not conference champions, which still could happen this year?

I guess instead of "automatic bids" you just say, "We don't care what conference you're in, but you have to be the champion." Doesn't necessarily mean you get in BECAUSE you're the champion, but it means you have to be the champion to get in. I see both ends of this argument and it's a little annoying when you get into it.

 

[jr/shotglass]

Why would a two loss Stanford team be in? I don't think they'd have much of a shot at all with the one loss contenders. I would go: Notre Dame, Alabama/Georgia, Kansas State, Oregon, Florida St./Florida before getting in to any two loss teams.

But that's ignoring what happened on the field. Why even play Stanford-Oregon?

Conference champs only, I'd say.

 

[Versatile]

To wrap this up before counting poll ballots, here's my vote on who should get in this season if it's a four team playoff:

Notre Dame
Alabama/Georgia winner
Pac-12 champ (even if they have two losses)
Big 12 champ

I realize Notre Dame isn't technically a "conference champion," but the way things are going, they could be considered a quasi-ACC team by 2014, when the playoff kicks in. The Fighting Irish, at this point, are a kink in the armor of the conference champions only argument.

This is stupid. What if the top two teams are not conference champions, which still could happen this year?

I guess instead of "automatic bids" you just say, "We don't care what conference you're in, but you have to be the champion." Doesn't necessarily mean you get in BECAUSE you're the champion, but it means you have to be the champion to get in. I see both ends of this argument and it's a little annoying when you get into it.

What?

I am saying, what if the season ends like this:

Southern Cal beats Notre Dame
Georgia Tech beats Georgia
Stanford beats UCLA the first time
Florida beats Florida State
Oregon beats Oregon State
Georgia beats Alabama
UCLA beats Stanford in the Pac-12 title game

Your BCS top four:

1. Florida
2. Oregon
3. Notre Dame
4. Kansas State

 

[deskslave]

Could you not create a rule that basically says "if you finished behind x team in whatever standings", and that team doesn't make the playoff, you don't either?

I'm sure that would create some circles of hell, but it would avoid the situation of Florida sneaking in because Georgia loses while Florida is idle, even though Georgia playing is the direct result of having beaten Florida.

 

[dooley_womack1]

You look close enough at Florida's games, and there's no way they sniff a national semifinals. An often inept offense, and too close of results against several inferior opponents.

 

[dooley_womack1]

To wrap this up before counting poll ballots, here's my vote on who should get in this season if it's a four team playoff:

Notre Dame
Alabama/Georgia winner
Pac-12 champ (even if they have two losses)
Big 12 champ

I realize Notre Dame isn't technically a "conference champion," but the way things are going, they could be considered a quasi-ACC team by 2014, when the playoff kicks in. The Fighting Irish, at this point, are a kink in the armor of the conference champions only argument.

This is stupid. What if the top two teams are not conference champions, which still could happen this year?

I guess instead of "automatic bids" you just say, "We don't care what conference you're in, but you have to be the champion." Doesn't necessarily mean you get in BECAUSE you're the champion, but it means you have to be the champion to get in. I see both ends of this argument and it's a little annoying when you get into it.

What?

I am saying, what if the season ends like this:

Southern Cal beats Notre Dame
Georgia Tech beats Georgia
Stanford beats UCLA the first time
Florida beats Florida State
Oregon beats Oregon State
Georgia beats Alabama
UCLA beats Stanford in the Pac-12 title game

Your BCS top four:

1. Florida
2. Oregon
3. Notre Dame
4. Kansas State

But remember, there's no BCS points system. National semifinals by committee. So Georgia losing to Georgia Tech would more than be canceled out by a Georgia win over Alabama.

 

[LongTimeListener]

But remember, there's no BCS points system. National semifinals by committee. So Georgia losing to Georgia Tech would more than be canceled out by a Georgia win over Alabama.

That is a great point.

I have a feeling parity is going to make seasons like this the rule rather than the exception. So the controversy and rage are only going to increase from the one team per year that feels snubbed under the current system to about six that have a case under the new one. Can't wait.