If it is good for America, why isn't it good for Congress and the president?

[printdust]

They're pushing for it, they're voting for it, with our money.

So why aren't they going to be active participants in the health care program?

Why do they continue to vote themselves raises and allow for pension plans unheard of except in the land of CEO fantasy?

Why are we run by hypocrites and if this isn't, please explain.

 

[printdust]

If I made 400K a year, I wouldn't worry too much about how I'm going to pay for my health insurance or retirement.

I want to see public the tax returns on Obama and all, GOP and Dem, congressmen once these "tax the rich" elements of the health care proposal kick in.

 

[Piotr Rasputin]

So why aren't they going to be active participants in the health care program?

I like to think they were just as diligent with this plan as they would have been if they were mandated to use it for themselves and their families. But it's a fair question, worthy of good discussion.

Too bad someone else didn't post it.

 

[DanOregon]

Good policy and good politics don't usually go hand in hand. The same can be said for bad policy and bad politics.

 

[printdust]

So why aren't they going to be active participants in the health care program?

I like to think they were just as diligent with this plan as they would have been if they were mandated to use it for themselves and their families. But it's a fair question, worthy of good discussion.

Too bad someone else didn't post it.

So it's only worthy if it is certain people who post?

How unfortunately judgmental.

Tell ya what. Get someone else to post it and eliminate this one. I'll forfeit my "credential" for a worthy discussion.

 

[Moderator1]

We are really pushing it with politcal type threads. We try and give a little leeway - but people are taking advantage and going back to old ways. Locked one yesterday. If this gets out of hand, we may have to start playing hardball. So be civil if you want these discussions to continue. If you cannot do it, do us all a favor and stay the hell away please.

 

[deskslave]

If I made 400K a year, I wouldn't worry too much about how I'm going to pay for my health insurance or retirement.

I want to see public the tax returns on Obama and all, GOP and Dem, congressmen once these "tax the rich" elements of the health care proposal kick in.

But ... the president's tax return already IS made public.

 

[Batman]

I like to think they were just as diligent with this plan as they would have been if they were mandated to use it for themselves and their families.

Holy **** that's funny.
Half these yahoos haven't even read the damn thing.

 

[YGBFKM]

Liberals know what's good for everyone and what's best for themselves.

 

[deskslave]

Liberals know what's good for everyone and what's best for themselves.

We're not the ones relying on the support of people deliberately voting against their own self-interest.

 

[WaylonJennings]

Liberals know what's good for everyone and what's best for themselves.

We're not the ones relying on the support of people deliberately voting against their own self-interest.

I read that book, too, but I never like this argument. Because even people who don't make money believe in their heart they will some day. So they don't exactly see it as voting against their self-interest. They see it as voting for the American Dream. Reasonable people can argue about whether the GOP exploits that, but I don't think it's fair to label such voters idiots (not that you were that harsh, but some are).

 

[dooley_womack1]

I find it hard to believe that when all is said and done, people will see the government as more of a Snidley Whiplash than the insurance companies. Government is more accountable than some damn insurance company is. And if people end up unhappy with a health care bill being signed into law, tough. It's not as if Obama kept this light under a basket during his campaign; people knew a health care bill was his priority one.

And I didn't see any notion of a deliberate process when the Republicans were rushing us into a bloodbath. So the bitching about it now is the apogee of disingenuousness.

 

[Smallpotatoes]

If I made 400K a year, I wouldn't worry too much about how I'm going to pay for my health insurance or retirement.

I want to see public the tax returns on Obama and all, GOP and Dem, congressmen once these "tax the rich" elements of the health care proposal kick in.

But ... the president's tax return already IS made public.

But his kindergarten records aren't.

 

[dooley_womack1]

Record keeping in Kenya apparently isn't up to snuff.

 

[Armchair_QB]

I find it hard to believe that when all is said and done, people will see the government as more of a Snidley Whiplash than the insurance companies. Government is more accountable than some damn insurance company is. And if people end up unhappy with a health care bill being signed into law, tough. It's not as if Obama kept this light under a basket during his campaign; people knew a health care bill was his priority one.

And I didn't see any notion of a deliberate process when the Republicans were rushing us into a bloodbath. So the bitching about it now is the apogee of disingenuousness.

Funny thing about that whole "rushing into a bloodbath" argument is that it had bipartisan support and I don't recall the GOP using parliamentary hocus-pocus to sneak **** through either.

Try again.

 

[dooley_womack1]

Yeah, that yellow-cake uranium in Niger thing was way on the up and up.

 

[Armchair_QB]

If I felt up to it, I'd pull out Boom's list of quotes from Clinton, Daschle, Kerry & Co. regarding Iraq's WMD program.

Oh, that's right, their just poor ignorant liberals who were duped by George W. Bush.

 

[dooley_womack1]

Well, when your sources are lying their asses off, the whole process involving entering Iraq is fruit of the poison tree.

In this case, Obama has said for three years that the hallmark of his presidency would be getting a health care bill passed, and has laid out how he would do it. He has compromised at numerous turns. He learned the lessons of what LBJ faced with the segregationists in the Senate and rightfully is dodging the perniciousness of the filibuster, with the Republicans making clear that if Obama proposed a bill that the sun should rise in the morning, they'd filibuster it.

 

[YGBFKM]

And if people end up unhappy with a health care bill being signed into law, tough.

I wish more liberals were honest about how little they cared about what people wanted. Your take was refreshing, dools.

 

[deskslave]

I find it hard to believe that when all is said and done, people will see the government as more of a Snidley Whiplash than the insurance companies. Government is more accountable than some damn insurance company is. And if people end up unhappy with a health care bill being signed into law, tough. It's not as if Obama kept this light under a basket during his campaign; people knew a health care bill was his priority one.

And I didn't see any notion of a deliberate process when the Republicans were rushing us into a bloodbath. So the bitching about it now is the apogee of disingenuousness.

Funny thing about that whole "rushing into a bloodbath" argument is that it had bipartisan support and I don't recall the GOP using parliamentary hocus-pocus to sneak **** through either.

Try again.

To what I'm sure is your great annoyance, the Dem leadership has abandoned the deemed to pass idea, so you'll need to find something else to complain about.

You could go with reconciliation, but if you do, I'm gonna have to go ahead and bring up the Bush tax cuts.