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I'm curious to know how effective they are.

For us, we do have a Twitter site but no Facebook. So far, it's been eh on Twitter. We get some sort of response, but not enough, IMO.

I'm interested in trying FB because I've seen it work with other sections, better than Twitter actually.

But I really want to hear what you all have to say about the social media craze.
 
Haven't really tried the Twitter yet. Our news side has and I'm not sure if it's really been THAT big of a boost. We have Facebook and it's been the cat's pajamas. Great interaction, we post stories and shepherd people to the web site. Also works great with checking names for the roundups. Can't say enough how great Facebook has been for our paper - and in getting those young eyes to actually read something.
 
That is the key. Does it help the section, the paper? Or is it just a few hundred more clicks on the Web site, which doesn't come close to paying the freight? I agree more is better, but will it make a real difference?
 
Johnny Dangerously said:
That is the key. Does it help the section, the paper? Or is it just a few hundred more clicks on the Web site, which doesn't come close to paying the freight? I agree more is better, but will it make a real difference?

That's what I wonder as well, Johnny. I'm curious to see how much significant impact social media has had, and whether it's sincerely helping or if it's just another short-term gimmick.
 
Den1983 said:
Johnny Dangerously said:
That is the key. Does it help the section, the paper? Or is it just a few hundred more clicks on the Web site, which doesn't come close to paying the freight? I agree more is better, but will it make a real difference?

That's what I wonder as well, Johnny. I'm curious to see how much significant impact social media has had, and whether it's sincerely helping or if it's just another short-term gimmick.

It helps bring people to the site. It helps deliver the news. It helps get the news out quicker. It helps generate revenue. It is not a gimmick. Those who think in that mindset are surely in trouble.

It isn't just a newspaper/web site world out there. There are many ways to get the news out.
 
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Who the hell knows? They're making us to do it anyway.
 
If the issue is time and the fact that there is not enough of it, consider using an application like TweetDeck to streamline your processes. It allows you to keep tabs on both Facebook and Twitter, and I love having the ability to post simultaneously. And hey, if Ashton and Demi dig it, then what's there to lose?!?
 
mustangj17 said:
It helps bring people to the site. It helps deliver the news. It helps get the news out quicker. It helps generate revenue. It is not a gimmick. Those who think in that mindset are surely in trouble.

It isn't just a newspaper/web site world out there. There are many ways to get the news out.

If there is one shred of evidence that the revenue assertion is true, I'd love to see it. I'm not talking about the it-must-be-free jackoff pieces that the Jeff Jarvises of the world write, I'm talking about actual application of the theory, or at least a reasoned analysis by someone like Alan Mutter, showing that newspapers aren't just chasing after fake dollars by building their "presence," that unquantifiable and non-cash-redeemable load of crap that newspapers have been fooled into for the past decade.
 
LongTimeListener said:
mustangj17 said:
It helps bring people to the site. It helps deliver the news. It helps get the news out quicker. It helps generate revenue. It is not a gimmick. Those who think in that mindset are surely in trouble.

It isn't just a newspaper/web site world out there. There are many ways to get the news out.

If there is one shred of evidence that the revenue assertion is true, I'd love to see it. I'm not talking about the it-must-be-free jackoff pieces that the Jeff Jarvises of the world write, I'm talking about actual application of the theory, or at least a reasoned analysis by someone like Alan Mutter, showing that newspapers aren't just chasing after fake dollars by building their "presence," that unquantifiable and non-cash-redeemable load of crap that newspapers have been fooled into for the past decade.

Exactly my point for starting the thread. I would assume that, eventually, a stronger social media presence would generate more revenue. But I have nothing to support that assumption.
 
Asking if using Twitter generates significant revenue is kind of like asking if RSS feeds or covering city council meetings generate significant revenue. The way I look at Twitter, or any social media, is this: Twitter alone, or even social media alone, may not generate significant amounts of direct revenue for a news org. However, they are valuable tools for serving your audience. And you use these tools not necessarily because they generate revenue, but because they serve the readers, just as council meetings may not be the thing that make papers fly off the rack, but you still cover them because it serves your readers to do so.

As for what social media gives back to the news org, I don't know how much direct revenue it produces, but I think there are a couple more important things a news org gets, which might indirectly lead to more revenue:

-- Expanded reach/influence/reputation: If you use social media tools well, it'll enhance your reputation as a reliable and useful source of information, a place that's among the first to pop into your audience's mind when they're thinking about where to go to find info on X. I think that's important in an age when news orgs are competing with millions upon millions of information sources for attention.

-- Additional resource for reporters: If you build a big enough social media community (and one that actually interacts with you), whether in the form of Facebook fans or Twitter followers or whatever new app that hasn't been cooked up yet, you get to a point where you can start using that community to help you do your work better. Need to find some sports fans with unique pregame rituals? If you have a few thousand or even just a few hundred followers, chances are a couple of them would know someone who fits the bill. Didn't make it to the site of breaking news in time for pics? See if any of your followers did. Need to compile a report of roads blocked by toppled trees after a storm? Ask your Facebook fans to post what they've seen around the city.
 
captzulu said:
Asking if using Twitter generates significant revenue is kind of like asking if RSS feeds or covering city council meetings generate significant revenue. The way I look at Twitter, or any social media, is this: Twitter alone, or even social media alone, may not generate significant amounts of direct revenue for a news org. However, they are valuable tools for serving your audience. And you use these tools not necessarily because they generate revenue, but because they serve the readers, just as council meetings may not be the thing that make papers fly off the rack, but you still cover them because it serves your readers to do so.

As for what social media gives back to the news org, I don't know how much direct revenue it produces, but I think there are a couple more important things a news org gets, which might indirectly lead to more revenue:

-- Expanded reach/influence/reputation: If you use social media tools well, it'll enhance your reputation as a reliable and useful source of information, a place that's among the first to pop into your audience's mind when they're thinking about where to go to find info on X. I think that's important in an age when news orgs are competing with millions upon millions of information sources for attention.

-- Additional resource for reporters: If you build a big enough social media community (and one that actually interacts with you), whether in the form of Facebook fans or Twitter followers or whatever new app that hasn't been cooked up yet, you get to a point where you can start using that community to help you do your work better. Need to find some sports fans with unique pregame rituals? If you have a few thousand or even just a few hundred followers, chances are a couple of them would know someone who fits the bill. Didn't make it to the site of breaking news in time for pics? See if any of your followers did. Need to compile a report of roads blocked by toppled trees after a storm? Ask your Facebook fans to post what they've seen around the city.

These are good points. My trade pub has used Twitter, and it's worked out very well. Does it give us 1 million new readers? No. Success comes when the dribs and drabs start adding up.

One more point I would add is with Twitter, there is a lot of care and feeding. What's helped us is that we don't just put our stories up there and let them sit. We get the Twitter IDs of every source who has them so we can retweet them. No matter the source, they love the ego boost of being name-checked, and once we retweet them, they will retweet our story and send it out to a lot of eyeballs that would not have seen our own tweet.

We also retweet some of our followers' tweets that look interesting, and we make sure to pump up some names every Friday for Follow Friday. We also pay close attention to hashtags and trending topics so other will stumble upon us.

Finally, we convert every URL to a bit.ly for our Twitter postings so we can track exactly how many readers are coming from our feed, or the feed of anyone else who is retweeting our bit.ly.

It also sounds ridiculous and like a lot of work. But it's worth it, and eventually it all becomes second nature. The best thing is, we now have people who are spreading the word about us, people who are not us, and that continues to expand our reach.

We're just starting Facebook, which is not as much work in the care and feeding. But it's one more place where you can get your stories to people passively, so they can see them and get to your site without having to go on it first. Basically, you might get people who wouldn't view you otherwise, and then have them start making a habit of coming by?

Can this all be monetized? At this point, who knows? But we all know more readers is better than less readers in any case.
 
Johnny Dangerously said:
That is the key. Does it help the section, the paper? Or is it just a few hundred more clicks on the Web site, which doesn't come close to paying the freight? I agree more is better, but will it make a real difference?

It works if you cross promote.

@Newspaper site: Check out the Sunday edition for a column on the upcoming NFL season.

Or whatever.

You have to cross-promote.
 
I get the concept of cross-promotion. I pushed it for years at my last stop. I argued for Web-only content and print-only content and promotion that sent readers to both, and I was ignored. I argued for putting the first take of a long feature on the printed page and sending people to the Web site if they wanted to read a longer version. I argued for all kinds of cross-promotional ideas.

"We've never done that," was the brilliant reply. What it translated to was: "No."
 
Can someone who does Facebook talk about what they put on there, especially as it relates to sports? Do you come back from a game and immediately post a few things there to promote what's coming in the paper? Or do you have other strategies, like regular updates or breaking news, etc. ... thanks
 
FuturaBold said:
Can someone who does Facebook talk about what they put on there, especially as it relates to sports? Do you come back from a game and immediately post a few things there to promote what's coming in the paper? Or do you have other strategies, like regular updates or breaking news, etc. ... thanks

It would seem like regular updates and breaking news are best suited to Twitter. On Facebook you can repost stories that appear on the site. To me, it seems like people would look for the breaking stuff on Twitter, but the more "that's interesting!" and complete stuff on Facebook.
 
captzulu said:
Need to compile a report of roads blocked by toppled trees after a storm? Ask your Facebook fans to post what they've seen around the city.

Isn't that exactly what good reporters are NOT supposed to do, accept second-hand information that they can't personally verify and print it as fact? Don't get me wrong, it would be very entertaining to read a story along the lines of, "Mike Smith from Bloomfield reported that he has no electricity in his house and there is flooding in his basement. He does have internet access though, so it's all good. Pamela Johnson reported that a tree crushed her Grandma's Lincoln, and Nick Anderson informed us that a tidal wave busted up some store fronts on Beach Street. 'Busted up' is, of course, Nick's description. Actual damage may vary."

Seriously, though, if someone reports something like "trees were totally blocking Main Street," maybe they're a Jeff Spicoli type and exaggerate the heck out of everything. Maybe one, little tree fell and blocked one lane out of three. You have no way of knowing, but you're going to encourage reporters to use this information?
 
Bob Cook said:
FuturaBold said:
Can someone who does Facebook talk about what they put on there, especially as it relates to sports? Do you come back from a game and immediately post a few things there to promote what's coming in the paper? Or do you have other strategies, like regular updates or breaking news, etc. ... thanks

It would seem like regular updates and breaking news are best suited to Twitter. On Facebook you can repost stories that appear on the site. To me, it seems like people would look for the breaking stuff on Twitter, but the more "that's interesting!" and complete stuff on Facebook.

We post all of our stories every morning to our facebook page. They link back to our page.
 
BigOleSportsFan said:
captzulu said:
Need to compile a report of roads blocked by toppled trees after a storm? Ask your Facebook fans to post what they've seen around the city.

Isn't that exactly what good reporters are NOT supposed to do, accept second-hand information that they can't personally verify and print it as fact? Don't get me wrong, it would be very entertaining to read a story along the lines of, "Mike Smith from Bloomfield reported that he has no electricity in his house and there is flooding in his basement. He does have internet access though, so it's all good. Pamela Johnson reported that a tree crushed her Grandma's Lincoln, and Nick Anderson informed us that a tidal wave busted up some store fronts on Beach Street. 'Busted up' is, of course, Nick's description. Actual damage may vary."

Seriously, though, if someone reports something like "trees were totally blocking Main Street," maybe they're a Jeff Spicoli type and exaggerate the heck out of everything. Maybe one, little tree fell and blocked one lane out of three. You have no way of knowing, but you're going to encourage reporters to use this information?

maybe not use it verbatim in a story but those facebook folks may help you concentrate where your reporters spend their time. I.e. if several posters report that downtown was hit hard by the storm, you'll be tipped off to concentrate on that ... i think it's a great idea, then our job to verify everything and put things in perspective ... we can always use more eyes and ears out there ... and more people who like that they are connected to us ....
 

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