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SI story is fantastic. Apparently the story came out because feds were questioning hill about the lufthansa job and he had to explain where he was the days after it was pulled. so he told them about how he was arranging point shaving on bc basketball games.

How I Put The Fix In In this exclusive story, informer Henry Hill asserts that he and his associates rigged nine Boston College basketball games in 1978-79 by inducing BC players to shave points - SI.com

Looney is such a brilliant reporter. He joked once that he couldn't travel anywhere in Texas, because he helped put a lot of those schools on probation during the 1980s. He was the one who Barry Switzer blamed for starting the whole Marcus Dupree fiasco. Switzer even referenced this in his book. Oklahoma didn't want to let SI do a cover story on Dupree and Looney did it anyway because Dupree had always dreamed of being on the cover of SI. Things went downhill from there...
 
If you haven't read the book, Wiseguy, by Nicholas Pileggi, it's worth your time. You realize Henry Hill was incredibly full of it, but it's a fun read if you like mob stuff. Even better is The Good Rat, by Jimmy Breslin.

It is a very good read, the biggest difference being that the Pesci character was an amalgam of a couple of real-life guys. TommyDeSimone (DeVito in the movie) did really kill Billy Batts and Spider, but wasn't Henry Hill's best friend. That was Paulie Jr. (who appears in the film but doesn't have any lines). He's the one who fixed up Henry with Karen.

Another good read is Ernest Volkman's "The Heist," which focuses solely on the Lufthansa heist and its aftermath. It's out-of-print and hard to find, though.

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By the way, there's another Lufthansa book co-authored by Hill due out later this year.

The Lufthansa Heist: Behind the Six-Million Dollar Cash Haul That Shook the World: Daniel Simone, Henry Hill: 9781493008490: Amazon.com: Books
 
The numbers which they were talking about in the 30 for 30 were simply not to be believed. No one was taking that sort of action on regular season college games without the ability to lay most of it off.

I'm not sure I fully understand what you're getting at. I'm guessing when they would put that much on a game, they would spread the bet out in several different places to avoid certain red flags.
 
I'm not sure I fully understand what you're getting at. I'm guessing when they would put that much on a game, they would spread the bet out in several different places to avoid certain red flags.

They were talking about spending low-mid 6 figures on everyday games. There is no way that money like that could be spent on a game without the line being significantly changed and people getting suspicious. And no bookie is taking that sort of action (or even a tiny fraction of that action) where there isn't going to be an opportunity to lay it off.

My guess is that they were betting low 5 figures
 
It is a very good read, the biggest difference being that the Pesci character was an amalgam of a couple of real-life guys. TommyDeSimone (DeVito in the movie) did really kill Billy Batts and Spider, but wasn't Henry Hill's best friend. That was Paulie Jr. (who appears in the film but doesn't have any lines). He's the one who fixed up Henry with Karen.

Another good read is Ernest Volkman's "The Heist," which focuses solely on the Lufthansa heist and its aftermath. It's out-of-print and hard to find, though.

Amazon product ASIN 0440200296
By the way, there's another Lufthansa book co-authored by Hill due out later this year.

The Lufthansa Heist: Behind the Six-Million Dollar Cash Haul That Shook the World: Daniel Simone, Henry Hill: 9781493008490: Amazon.com: Books

The real DeSimone was considered crazy, even by the other mobsters. He would shoot and kill people for no reason, while the others only did it if they had to.

The real Jimmy the Gent wasn't always so nice either. Supposedly, to get people to pay up for things, he would lock their kids in freezers until they paid.
 
Liked how on the 30 for 30, the US attorney mentioned Hill also had two girlfriends outside in the waiting area that he wanted to bring into the witness protection arrangement as well.

And I didn't realize that attorney actually played himself in the movie.
 
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Goodfellas is one of those movies you can watch over and over again. Of course, it's extremely hard to resist a good mob movie. It's also fun looking at some of the actors in it (like Imperioli and Samuel L.) who gained greater fame in other projects.

Playing for the Mob was excellent also, and gave me a great one to put in the "he/she was in that" thread. They were interviewing the US attorney in the point-shaving case and I was wondering where I saw him before, and it turns out he was essentially playing himself in the movie as the guy explaining to Henry and Karen that the witness protection was their only option.

EDIT: Kirk beat me to it on the attorney.
 
It's a deeply felt movie. After years and years of kind of circling around these singular, bizarre, almost inscrutable characters -- Bickle and LaMotta and, well, Jesus -- Scorsese rooted this film in "one of the guys" and, even though these men are pretty much on the verge of madness in cultural terms... I think it's Karen who says "these were blue collar guys" in the movie. Somehow, it seemed like a life, as hellish as it was, that a person could (and did) live for awhile. And it's not really about the boss. I think that's the key. It's about a guy who's not made. He'd just as soon no one died. It's the movie, really, about Scorsese himself; the watching the gangsters from afar as a boy, the charm of being the man, that want to belong, the eventual drug problem, fooling around with scandalous women. The "Copa" scene. Is there is a more defining scene about middle class American manhood in the last half of the 20th Century? Walking in the back entrance to the best table in the house all while impressing a beautiful, classy girl on your arm? All of Henry's rotten life, could it be worth that moment alone?

And it really uses pop music as a character. That's overdone now, especially since MTV does it with everything. Scorsese himself overdoes it. But it was fresh in that movie.

I've rarely seen a movie so alive as that one. The first two Godfather films are "better," I know they are, they're better art, filmmaking of such beauty and elegance that it's canonical to the industry, like Citizen Kane or The Third Man or 2001. But neither are alive like Goodfellas.

I know a guy whose two favorite movies - ever - are Goodfellas and The Sandlot. Odd couple, right? But the way he put to me years ago, why those two, I'll never forget: "One's about having a bunch of money in your pocket, the other's about baseball, and if I'm honest, just about everything I've ever liked in life involved those two things."
 
It's almost criminal how overlooked it was come Oscar time. I think Pesci accounted for the film's only Oscar. Of course, people say the same thing about Raging Bull.

I don't think I've ever met anyone who would rather watch Dances With Wolves over Goodfellas.
 
It's almost criminal how overlooked it was come Oscar time. I think Pesci accounted for the film's only Oscar. Of course, people say the same thing about Raging Bull.

I don't think I've ever met anyone who would rather watch Dances With Wolves over Goodfellas.

Dude, **** Tracy won more Oscars than Goodfellas. **** ****IN' TRACY.

Dances With Wolves was overrated at the time, though I'd argue it's quite underrated now. It really was a treat to watch that movie. That said, I think Goodfellas was the best film that year.

The worse snub, though, was that Ghost, Awakenings and The Godfather Part III were all nominated for Best Picture over The Hunt for Red October.
 
Goodfellas is one of those movies you can watch over and over again. Of course, it's extremely hard to resist a good mob movie. It's also fun looking at some of the actors in it (like Imperioli and Samuel L.) who gained greater fame in other projects.

Playing for the Mob was excellent also, and gave me a great one to put in the "he/she was in that" thread. They were interviewing the US attorney in the point-shaving case and I was wondering where I saw him before, and it turns out he was essentially playing himself in the movie as the guy explaining to Henry and Karen that the witness protection was their only option.

EDIT: Kirk beat me to it on the attorney.

Was sitting there watching it and thinking to myself, man, they did a good job casting the attorney role....
 
Joe Pesci introduced Tommy DeVito to Bob Gaudio helping launch the Four Seasons. Pesci played a guy named Tommy DeVito in Goodfellas. And now the real Tommy DeVito works for Pesci.
 
Dude, **** Tracy won more Oscars than Goodfellas. **** ****IN' TRACY.

Dances With Wolves was overrated at the time, though I'd argue it's quite underrated now. It really was a treat to watch that movie. That said, I think Goodfellas was the best film that year.

The worse snub, though, was that Ghost, Awakenings and The Godfather Part III were all nominated for Best Picture over The Hunt for Red October.

I saw Dances with Wolves in the theater when it came out. I liked it, but never had any desire to sit through it again. I've seen it lumped with movies like Forrest Gump as Best Picture winners that don't hold up. Not sure if that's fair or not.
 
My brother-in-law's brother-in-law (my sister's husband's sister's husband, if that makes it less confusing) was on the drug task force that arrested Henry Hill in 1980. Guy did two tours in Vietnam and worked as a cop on Long Island for 20 years, then dropped dead of a heart attack on a golf course in his late 40s.
 
It is a very good read, the biggest difference being that the Pesci character was an amalgam of a couple of real-life guys. TommyDeSimone (DeVito in the movie) did really kill Billy Batts and Spider, but wasn't Henry Hill's best friend. That was Paulie Jr. (who appears in the film but doesn't have any lines). He's the one who fixed up Henry with Karen.

Another good read is Ernest Volkman's "The Heist," which focuses solely on the Lufthansa heist and its aftermath. It's out-of-print and hard to find, though.

Amazon product ASIN 0440200296
By the way, there's another Lufthansa book co-authored by Hill due out later this year.

The Lufthansa Heist: Behind the Six-Million Dollar Cash Haul That Shook the World: Daniel Simone, Henry Hill: 9781493008490: Amazon.com: Books

I remember reading the book and thinking how much better the movie made Henry Hill look. Aren't there a couple of murders Hill was responsible for that other people/characters commit in the movie?
 
I saw Dances with Wolves in the theater when it came out. I liked it, but never had any desire to sit through it again. I've seen it lumped with movies like Forrest Gump as Best Picture winners that don't hold up. Not sure if that's fair or not.

Academy Award winners are a reflection of the tastes of the voters. A lot of voters then didn't much care for the venality and lurid violence of the movie.

It'd win in a heartbeat now. Hell, the Departed won, and it's pretty average by comparison, a bad knockoff.
 
I know I'm applying this to modern times, but one thing I always thought was a little strange is how, during the "How am I funny?" scene, the Pesci character pulls out a gun and is jokingly waving it around.

Today, what would be the reaction of people in the restaurant if they saw a customer smash a bottle over the head of one guy, throw stuff at a waiter and then pull a gun out? Somehow, I'd doubt there would be laughter. There might be a panic.

Maybe back then, everyone knew who the mobsters were and knew not to call the police. I can't help but think today, there would be a half-dozen 911 calls with "A violent guy just hit two restaurant workers and has a gun!"
 
That restaurant was their hangout (like Artie Bucco's restaurant in the Sopranos). I'm pretty sure there are still places like that where people will know damn well not to call 911.
 
I like Goodfellas, but not as much as the Godfathers.

Couple reasons:

Ray Liotta kind of creeps me out.

The Godfather scenes looked and felt more authentic. Goodfellas felt more like a bunch of guys acting.
 

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