Getting a "no" for the first time

[HoosierLoser]

You use to be able to get a free drink for every rejection letter you had at Sully's Bar in Peoria, Ill.

I had plenty of engineering buddies who saved up their rejection letters for Thursday nights. ****ing bastards making three times what I make.

 

[proudpittsburgher]

I once turned down a job after initially accepting it -- sort of a Glen Mason or Bobby Cremins -- so I guess that is a little bit of payback for the times I've received the 'no' response.

I just recently had to do this and it was one of the hardest things I have ever had to do. Other people are telling me, "hey, it happens." I guess I wouldn't be too happy if someone did it to me, but it does happen.

 

[auggie_ben_doggie]

Rejection letters aren't the greatest things in the world. I know, and I received one not too long ago when applying for a position. However, at least the people were professional enough to send a letter, unlike some that will just dodge the bullet about it.

Here we go again.

As an SE, I break it down like this: if you interview with us and we go in another direction, I'm calling you to talk about it (if you want some feedback...if not, it's still better than a form letter and worth my time to thank you for yours). But if you are one of the hundreds of applicants we usually receive for a position, chances are there isn't going to be any "thanks but no thanks" letters if you were never a candidate. And no, I don't have an assistant who can handle them. (Just recalling previous debates about this topic.)

As far as rejection letters go, the most you'll ever get is in trying to get a book published. Good Lord...I think they killed half a forest after my last round of queries.

 

[SF_Express]

I've gotten a few; one really sticks in my craw.

I'm even going to name the paper, because if I leave out the era, it's not going to point fingers at any one individual.

Quite a few years back, but recent enough that I had established reasonable credentials, I wrote a letter to the Journal-Constitution about a job it had open (not just a cold call "You have anything for me?"). I knew one of the prominent people in the hiring process there pretty well from APSE stuff. But there were several involved, so again, this isn't going to throw anybody specific under my bus here.

My rejection was a form letter from the personnel department, the typical "we don't have anything for you right now, but we'll keep your resume on file" bull****. Not a word from the actual sports department, not even the person I knew.

I wound up fine, but I really felt that one was handled badly under all the circumstances.

(One semi-aside: I once got one from a paper in the Northeast that was looking for a sports editor; I'll never know what it said exactly, though. When I mentioned to my girlfriend at the time that I wondered why I hadn't heard from the Northeast Bugle about its sports editor job, she said, "Oh, they hired somebody else. You got that letter a few weeks ago, but since you didn't get the job, I just threw it out.")

 

[HejiraHenry]

In the early 1990s, I applied for an SE's job in the Midwest and finished second in the race.

The same paper hired an SE and ASE in 1994 or so -- and this time, I was told I had finished third.

Me: "Just so I understand my situation here, if you were hiring 500,000 people, is it reasonable for me to assume that I would finish 500,001st?"

Even the hiring editor had to laugh at that one.

 

[donaugust]

Hah -- not much is making me laugh since I'm still waiting for my "no," but that last one did.

 

[donaugust]

Alright, so, after all that's said and done, I actually GOT this job ... so the wait was worth it. Phew.

 

[HejiraHenry]

Rejection letters aren't the greatest things in the world. I know, and I received one not too long ago when applying for a position. However, at least the people were professional enough to send a letter, unlike some that will just dodge the bullet about it.

I agree. At least they had that courtesy. I interviewed with a place and didn't find out I had been rejected until I finally broke down and called. Their response, "Oh, we forgot to let you know. We found someone else."

The gold standard for What Not to Do.

 

[Tom Petty]

If you sort of squint, the title of this thread looks like Getting a "ho" for the first time.

and how's that different for you during your second ... third ... fourth ... fifth ... seventh ... eighth ... ninth ...

 

[lono]

The best thing that ever happened to me in this business was receiving a hand-written and very hateful letter from an editor at the Wall Street Journal who ripped me a new asshole just for having the temerity to ask him for a job when I obviously didn't have the experience, the resume, etc. to work for him.

It was savage.

I took it very personally.

And I took it as a challenge to become better at what I did. In the long run, it served as a great motivator to work hard and raise my game.

The WSJ guy who was such a prick to me got let go a couple of years later.

 

[cranberry]

"Thank you for your interest in the Podunk Times position we advertised.
We have now completed our hiring process and have selected another
individual.
Good luck in your job search."

Finally got feedback on my first attempt to land a job in SJ. Just wondering what you were all feeling when you found out you didn't land the gig. Here's to many more...*raises mug*

I have a stack of rejection letters from some of the top sports editors in the country dating back to my initial job search back in 1980. I still look through the stack once and a while and chuckle. I remember writing my queries on my Olympus portable typewriter and putting the clips packages together at the kitchen table of my mom and dad's house. It only takes one positive response, so let the rejections strengthen your resolve.

 

[EE94]

The best thing that ever happened to me in this business was receiving a hand-written and very hateful letter from an editor at the Wall Street Journal who ripped me a new asshole just for having the temerity to ask him for a job when I obviously didn't have the experience, the resume, etc. to work for him.

It was savage.

I took it very personally.

And I took it as a challenge to become better at what I did. In the long run, it served as a great motivator to work hard and raise my game.

The WSJ guy who was such a prick to me got let go a couple of years later. 

The guy shouldn't have been so prickish, but I can understand his frustration when applications that clearly don't qualify take up time.
I've received more than my share of letters - and worse, phone calls - from people straight out of college who feel qualified to work at a large daily - on the biggest beat, no less - because they have followed the local team since they were in diapers and because they wrote for their college paper.

I have often wanted to rip off a letter like your WSJ guy saying "Get a clue" but had the decency not to.

If that letter motivated you and served as a wakeup call, you should be, in a weird way, grateful to the guy for telling it like it is.

 

[DyePack]

The best thing that ever happened to me in this business was receiving a hand-written and very hateful letter from an editor at the Wall Street Journal who ripped me a new asshole just for having the temerity to ask him for a job when I obviously didn't have the experience, the resume, etc. to work for him.

It was savage.

I took it very personally.

And I took it as a challenge to become better at what I did. In the long run, it served as a great motivator to work hard and raise my game.

The WSJ guy who was such a prick to me got let go a couple of years later. 

The guy shouldn't have been so prickish, but I can understand his frustration when applications that clearly don't qualify take up time.
I've received more than my share of letters - and worse, phone calls - from people straight out of college who feel qualified to work at a large daily - on the biggest beat, no less - because they have followed the local team since they were in diapers and because they wrote for their college paper.

I have often wanted to rip off a letter like your WSJ guy saying "Get a clue" but had the decency not to.

If that letter motivated you and served as a wakeup call, you should be, in a weird way, grateful to the guy for telling it like it is.

Total, complete bull****.

****tards are hired every day to positions they never should be within pissing distance of.

For any dumbass hiring executive to have the temerity to tell someone they are not qualified based on the hiring that does happen is simply asinine.

 

[Gold]

You can't let those things get to you. All they can do is say no - they can't take your ability or your drive or your humanity away from you.

Let me tell you a story. There is someone who is a top sports writer at a New York newspaper today.

One time, he applied for a job at a paper a step below that. He worked for a small daily paper which wasn't respected. He received a really nasty response to the effect of we don't have a position and we don't think you will ever be good enough to work here.

Well, the guy did get a job at that paper before going to the big daily newspaper. And after he was there for a while, he posted the nasty rejection letter on the wall of his cubicle.

Keep the faith, yoshii

 

[Kaylee]

Everything's been pretty much said here. Hate to say it, but these things ARE part of the business. It's best to try to have a sense of humor about these things. After all, this is why most vets in this biz have sent out more clip packages than they'd care to count. Just about everyone, even some of the guys you might look up to, have been rat-a-tat-tatted with rejection slips at one point or another.

I remember when I was one of two finalists for a gig at a large paper. I finished second. And I remember...after the desire to cut my balls off with a pair of wirecutters due to sheer frustration passed...thinking that this was in fact a victory. Prior to that point, all I had gotten were impersonal rejection letters. I knew I had raised my game, because suddenly I was getting rejected in a far more sophisticated way.

Don't take it hard. Keep at it and eventually you'll snag something.

 

[SportsDude]

I got drunk and threw empty beer bottles at their building. Wait, that was my current employer. Nevermind.

 

[Smokey33]

Once while waiting to hear back about a job I'd interviewed for, a friend who worked at that paper told me I probably wasn't getting the job. I proceeded to drink away my sorrows until about 6 a.m. At about 9 a.m. I get a call from said paper offering me the job.

A couple weeks later I had to un-accept that job for an even better one.

Your luck can turn around quickly.

 

[Birdscribe]

The best thing that ever happened to me in this business was receiving a hand-written and very hateful letter from an editor at the Wall Street Journal who ripped me a new asshole just for having the temerity to ask him for a job when I obviously didn't have the experience, the resume, etc. to work for him.

It was savage.

I took it very personally.

And I took it as a challenge to become better at what I did. In the long run, it served as a great motivator to work hard and raise my game.

The WSJ guy who was such a prick to me got let go a couple of years later. 

The guy shouldn't have been so prickish, but I can understand his frustration when applications that clearly don't qualify take up time.
I've received more than my share of letters - and worse, phone calls - from people straight out of college who feel qualified to work at a large daily - on the biggest beat, no less - because they have followed the local team since they were in diapers and because they wrote for their college paper.

I have often wanted to rip off a letter like your WSJ guy saying "Get a clue" but had the decency not to.

If that letter motivated you and served as a wakeup call, you should be, in a weird way, grateful to the guy for telling it like it is.

Total, complete bull****.

****tards are hired every day to positions they never should be within pissing distance of.

For any dumbass hiring executive to have the temerity to tell someone they are not qualified based on the hiring that does happen is simply asinine.

Dead. On. Nails.

I'd of phrased it a little differently than Dye, but he couldn't be more right.

It's called class. Too many people in this business lack it.

I used to have the bathroom to my college apartment wallpapered with my rejections letters. Even had them in rough geographic order, with the classy ones from SportsJournalists.com denizen Pete Wevurski and Jeff Jordan, formerly of the Spokane Spokesman-Review in one corner and the snide, condescending ones (typically from New England papers) in the other.

I'll never forget one, from a small/mid-sized Massachusetts paper that borders a body of water. The SE basically said that you're not good enough to work here, you'll never be good enough to work here and why are you even wasting my time applying to my holy shrine of a sports department.

Keep in mind, this wasn't the Boston Globe or Hartford Courant. It was a 40k paper.

A decade or so later, a buddy of mine at the LA Times tells me to apply to a paper in the Northwest that a former cohort of his works at. I do... but make the mistake of sending some clips to their "hiring and development editor" (now if there's a Supreme Being presiding over all these newspaper cutbacks, this person will be the next one to fall on her sword). She answers back with this snotty letter saying that "I haven't read your clips, but you oughta get some experience at a bigger paper before applying here."

This, coming from the same paper that had a 20something covering golf at the time.

You know something, EE94. There are people on this board who are in their 20s and 30s who can write and report circles around people you work with, so I'd back off the "get a clue" attitude just a bit. I"m not saying that every person deigning to apply to your journalistic Mt. Olympus is qualified to work there, but perhaps if you took the time to actually READ what some people are sending you instead of turning up your nose, you'd be pleasantly surprised.

 

[clutchcargo]

This has been a pretty interesting thread. Let me offer a few thoughts that I hope offer some help and perspective:

1. Just like in sales, every "no" puts you one step closer to your next "yes."

2. Keep the resume pithy but power-packed with specific achievements and experience without embellishment. Don't be a George O'Leary.

3. Write a cover letter of no more than one page that shows sincere interest and a personal touch. You must first sell the available job to yourself.

4. Don't get bent out of shape with no/long-delayed response. Send your terrific letter and resume to a job you really want, then as soon as you mail it, move on to the next one and then the next one, etc., so you always have something to occupy yourself and take your mind off of obsessing over one opening, even after you manage to get an interview. To keep your hope up and a positive attitude, always be looking at your next mail-in. Keep yourself occupied.

5. If you get get the call or the interview, do NOT ask about salary or reveal your desired range, even when they ask for it in job description. An expert on job interviewing told me that years ago, and he was absolutely right. Let them bring up the topic of salary and force them to be first with naming a number. There's an old maxim in job interviews--he who gives a number first, loses.

6 I understand heartbreak. Smalltown kid from rural state DREAMS of someday working for SI, and out of the blue years later, an SI poobah acquaintance calls asking me if I'd be interested in a specific job. I said yes, took an editing test, was told I done good and then waited for three months. Finally got a day's worth of interviews in NY with all the big guns as one of two finalists, only to get told three days before Christmas I didn't get it. My acquaintance who called me back told me with a shaking voice that it had been pretty much a push between me and the other guy, and he had fought for me. I know him well enough to believe him. Broke my heart, and that was almost 10 years ago. Life goes on.

 

[Tom Petty]

The best thing that ever happened to me in this business was receiving a hand-written and very hateful letter from an editor at the Wall Street Journal who ripped me a new asshole just for having the temerity to ask him for a job when I obviously didn't have the experience, the resume, etc. to work for him.

It was savage.

I took it very personally.

And I took it as a challenge to become better at what I did. In the long run, it served as a great motivator to work hard and raise my game.

The WSJ guy who was such a prick to me got let go a couple of years later. 

The guy shouldn't have been so prickish, but I can understand his frustration when applications that clearly don't qualify take up time.
I've received more than my share of letters - and worse, phone calls - from people straight out of college who feel qualified to work at a large daily - on the biggest beat, no less - because they have followed the local team since they were in diapers and because they wrote for their college paper.

I have often wanted to rip off a letter like your WSJ guy saying "Get a clue" but had the decency not to.

If that letter motivated you and served as a wakeup call, you should be, in a weird way, grateful to the guy for telling it like it is.

that's odd because i just usually kinda feel sad for someone when it becomes abundantly clear they applied for the job and were way out of their league.

but "giving it a shot" is kinda the american way. maybe you just should take solice in the fact they didn't call you.