FROM 2012 INTO 2013 POLITICS THREAD

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Here it is - those of you who think this is a place for political talk are getting your wish. With a few rules and only a few rules. Please follow them.

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Ann Romney to critics (including fellow GOPers): You never played the game!

http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-haberman/2012/09/ann-romney-to-critics-stop-it-this-is-hard-you-want-136231.html?hp=l2
 
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Baseball can't be truly competitive until we get a salary cap. Except my Reds are in the playoffs, so never mind. Wait, what are we doing here?
 
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I'd like to go back to the fact that our government is condemning this "film" about Islam, has requested YouTube to pull it, and has taken out adds in Pakistan criticizing it.

It's wrong on many levels, but what's really bugging me is that the United States has long given voice to dissidents around the world. And, our support has given hope to many of them. The idea that America is a strong and free enough nation to allow speech that the government disapproves of is part of what makes us great, and a beacon of hope for those around the world.

For us to seek to silence speech which makes us uncomfortable threatens all of that.
 
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Way before any of us were around, politics was defined as "the art of saying nice doggie while looking for a stick." I don't think anyone is eager to be on the side of mob rule, but hard to fault them for taking short term steps to keep the whole thing from going blooey.
 
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My, well, concern, as I stated on one of the locked threads, is that this may somehow be interpreted by these weekend warrior terrorists that our government has some degree of control over speech. That it can pressure or coerce, at the very least. But I know that's flawed and am not sure if I have a better answer.
 
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Is there a way to get an RSS feed just from this thread?

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Also worth bringing up: What the hell is going on with Gallup? It's a complete outlier poll right now, and has the race tied at 47-47. This is just a few days after having Obama with a 7-point lead. Is its credibility imperiled at this point?
 
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**** Whitman said:
Ann Romney to critics (including fellow GOPers): You never played the game!

http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-haberman/2012/09/ann-romney-to-critics-stop-it-this-is-hard-you-want-136231.html?hp=l2

"Stop it. This is hard." That's what she said.

(That IS what she said.)
 
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LongTimeListener said:
**** Whitman said:
Ann Romney to critics (including fellow GOPers): You never played the game!

http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-haberman/2012/09/ann-romney-to-critics-stop-it-this-is-hard-you-want-136231.html?hp=l2

"Stop it. This is hard." That's what she said.

(That IS what she said.)

And also: "You want to try it?"
 
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Romney is Kerry without the sparkle.

Also, again, there are Constitutional precedents for limiting speech, and any government - including our own - is free to comment upon speech.

It's fine not to like those things, but dishonest to pretend they don't exist.
 
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**** Whitman said:
Also worth bringing up: What the hell is going on with Gallup? It's a complete outlier poll right now, and has the race tied at 47-47. This is just a few days after having Obama with a 7-point lead. Is its credibility imperiled at this point?

Why assume Gallup is the outlier? AP & Rasmussen basically have it in the same place.

Pew, which is not non-partisan, has it at at +8 for Obama, but they over sample Democrats by 9 points (37/28). That's a self fulfilling prophesy.

I'm not seeing the breakdown of the sample in the NationalJournal poll.
 
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MisterCreosote said:
In Ann's defense, running for president IS hard, and no one in their right mind would ever want to do it.

Yeah, I don't see the issue.

Pretty much every political spouse has made similar comments.

And, we all lament the process, and wonder who would put themselves and their family through it.

She's absolutely right. If someone thought they could do better, they should have run.

The primary is over. Romney's the candidate. Time to get on the train.
 
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You'll hate this roundup, then -- conservative voices ripping Romney.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0912/81419.html

My favorite is David Frum: “Mitt Romney has just committed the worst presidential-candidate gaffe since Gerald Ford announced in 1976 that ‘there is no Soviet domination of Eastern Europe.’"

Special notice to Peggy Noonan for two columns, including one calling the campaign a "rolling calamity."
 
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YankeeFan said:
**** Whitman said:
Also worth bringing up: What the hell is going on with Gallup? It's a complete outlier poll right now, and has the race tied at 47-47. This is just a few days after having Obama with a 7-point lead. Is its credibility imperiled at this point?

Why assume Gallup is the outlier? AP & Rasmussen basically have it in the same place.

I can't figure out how to post it here, but my "outlier" designation comes from this chart on Nate Silver's blog today:

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/09/21/sept-20-obamas-convention-bounce-may-not-be-receding/#more-34814
 
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"Stop it!" comes off bad. At least in my opinion. It's whiny, at least on paper. Did not see the actual interview.

Like most game-changing "gaffes," however, we'll see if it affects anything on the ground. Mark me for a "no."
 
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MisterCreosote said:
Agreed. On the other hand, it might not be the wisest idea to complain publicly about how hard it is to campaign, considering Mitt's campaigning to be given a job that's infinitely harder than that.

So get on the ****ing train already!
 
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This quote is pretty bad, too: "It is time for all Americans to realize how significant this election is and how lucky we are to have someone with Mitt’s qualifications and experience and know-how to be able to have the opportunity to run this country"

Continues the narrative that Mitt Romney believes we should be grateful to have him running for president. Remember when Obama was the pointy-headed, out-of-touch "elitist" in a presidential election? How long ago does that seem?
 
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Until Romney searches out arugula or puts spicy mustard on his burger, I'll withhold judgement.
 
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