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Let me just add that I really have no dog in the fight when it comes to ACC games other than my wife being in a better mood when Virginia wins, but Hess is the worst official I've seen at any level above high school JV.

I posted this on the other thread, but I was at an NC State-Georgia Tech game a while back where I became convinced Hess was intentionally making bad calls just to see what reaction he would get. I wish I was exaggerating how bad he is.
 
micropolitan guy said:
If an ACC-level basketball official can't take some hazing from the fans, he has no business being an ACC-level official. Rabbit ears and a red ass, to boot.

And isn't Clougherty the guy who called that ticky-tack last-second foul on Seton Hall in the NCAA championship game against Michigan?

Yes. That was Clougherty.
 
Hess may very well be a bad official - sometimes they hang around too long or they get mental complexes. But I have to believe the alums may have said something out of line. The other thing is the ref has to communicate with the scorer's table.

As far as the donkey, if it is the NBA that sort of abuse is part of the job which you have to accept. If it is a school setting, it is a different story. They always tell refs to let the site manager handle it.

As a Seton Hall fan for more than 40 years, I know Clougherty is the official who sent Rumeal Robinson to the line for the winning free throws (ouch). But I also remember when they asked Seton Hall coach PJ Carlesimo about the call, he said Clougherty was an outstanding official and if that was what he called, PJ could accept it was the ref's best call.

If I step back from being a fan, I would have to say there were probably other mistakes Seton Hall made that night which had more effect than the call.
 
It's major college basketball. There were probably 10,000 people in the building who said something out of line. The bottom line is Karl Hess wants to get noticed. It's evident from the spastic way he signals obviously incorrect calls to seeking out two of the most well known people in the stands and making a show of ejecting them.
 
The look on Googs' face when Corchiani and him got the heave-ho was priceless.

I'm with Moddy, refs like Hess, Valentine, and others want to be The Show.

They make all the other non-descript refs in the game look like the Keystone Cops.
 
Chef2 said:
micropolitan guy said:
If an ACC-level basketball official can't take some hazing from the fans, he has no business being an ACC-level official. Rabbit ears and a red ass, to boot.

And isn't Clougherty the guy who called that ticky-tack last-second foul on Seton Hall in the NCAA championship game against Michigan?

Yes. That was Clougherty.

And he was as big a showboat as Teddy V in his day.
 
For what it's worth, Hess also was the guy who blew the goaltending call in the final seconds of the WVU-Syracuse game. Not that the two events mean anything when taken together -- except that Hess is having quite the ****ty year.
 
A trio to send coaches screaming into the night: Hess, Valentine and (wait for it... ) Jim Burr...
 
Gold said:
The one mistake Hess did make - and Clougherty made this point - is that there is an intermediate step Hess should have taken, which was to contact the site manager.

As someone who has officiated at the low levels of HS basketball, knowing who is the site manager is a pre-game responsibility of an official. There are a couple of reasons to give some consideration to the official.

1. I have seen a coach who was serving as a radio commentator yell at a ref in a Division 3 college game. The coach/commentator yelled from press row, asking if the ref was related to the other team. He was admonished by a media member who said not to do that at the press table. After the game, the coach/commentator apologized to the admonisher and me, acknowledging he was wrong. What I asked him was how could he lose control given that he was a coach. He said it was difficult being on the sideline.

2. Even if Hess was too hasty, officials do not react well when they are taking heat because the team is playing lousy. I recall a coach complaining about the fact that there were eight fouls called on his team and none on the other team. I gave the tactful, I'm calling each play as I see it. What I was thinking was, "Coach, your kids are getting called for fouls because they can't play defense correctly - that isn't MY fault"

3. An official has to show they have control of the game. When I umpired softball, at first I didn't have a problem with curse words so long as they were adjectives. I was quickly corrected because allowing swear words showed a lack of control and wouldn't look good if a supervisor was watching me officiate. What we don't know is whether the two alumni were being idiots all game. If they were five or ten rows up, than maybe you could say Hess had "rabbit ears".However, where they were sitting it was apparent that they were guest of NC State and it was right near the scorer's table.

Hess may have overreacted, but you have to act like kind of an idiot to let it get to the point where you get thrown out.

Hess reprimanded by ACC for not following procedure, which includes communicating with the site manager.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/7595857/acc-reprimands-official-ejection-chris-corchiani-tom-gugliotta
 
slappy4428 said:
A trio to send coaches screaming into the night: Hess, Valentine and (wait for it... ) Jim Burr...

Holy **** Balls.

If I am coaching a team, and these three are officiating it.......when they come over for pre-game introductions, I just look at all three and say "**** You, You **** Him, and they both ****ed your mother."

Turn around, and head for the showers.

Quick, painless, and you got the last word.
 
I saw Jim Burr (and John Moreau of Richmond, who I thought was a competetent official) totally screw Microville Tech in an NCAA game back in the day. Phantom fouls left and right, including a no-touch game-ender at the buzzer.
 
The best possible news.

Hess had DePaul @ St. Johns Monday Night

Wont have UNC @ NCST.
 
Chef2 said:
The best possible news.

Hess had DePaul @ St. Johns Monday Night

Wont have UNC @ NCST.
Pretty sure Hess was never supposed to be at UNC-NC State in the first place. A quick check of Statsheet.com shows he worked the teams' first meeting in Chapel Hill and it's very rare for a ref to work both games of a home-and-home.
 
Chef2 said:
The best possible news.

Hess had DePaul @ St. Johns Monday Night

Wont have UNC @ NCST.

Thank. Goodness.

NCSU has enough problems without another one being tossed into the blender.
 
Ridiculous that Hess tossed them. It would have been a disaster if he had called last night's game.
 
dixiehack said:
Hess on the call for Auburn-Florida tonight.

I covered it and didn't notice anything about his officiating one way or the other. Refs let them play in the paint, but I thought it was a fairly called game.
 
Fun fact: Hess was Liberty's all-time assists leader until the current LU point guard broke it this year.

I've dealt with him for a few stories. He still lives in the area. Comes off as, um, smarmy.
 

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