Former N.C. State players ejected from game

[hondo]

This, from the wire story on N.C. State's loss to FSU:

"And making the day even more miserable for the Wolfpack, ex-players Tom Gugliotta and Chris Corchiani (whose jersey numbers hang in the RBC Center's rafters) were ejected from behind the scorer's table by official Karl Hess.

Hess declined comment several times when approached after the game by a reporter for The Associated Press, while Corchiani tweeted that Hess "didn't like fact Googs [and] I told him he was having a bad day, inconsistent, [and] telling the truth."

Said Gottfried: "I don't have any idea what happened there."

Never heard of this happening. Has Karl Hess been officiating in the ACC long enough to have some history going back to Gugliotta and Corchiani playing?

Also, anyone notice that FSU has sort of quietly owned Duke, Carolina, Wake and N.C. State this season?

 

[Stoney]

Already being discussed on college basketball thread.

 

[playthrough]

Saw the highlights on ESPN, pretty funny stuff. One of the guys tipped his hat to the crowd as he left. Sounds like a very rabbit-eared ref.

 

[waterytart]

So FSU takes the Dixie Classic? [/goingoldschool]

 

[Yodel]

Pat Buchanan probably supports Hess.

 

[Ben_Hecht]

Pat Buchanan probably supports Hess.

Clearly because he likes clean rest rooms, right? (. . . blue font) . . .

 

[hondo]

Already being discussed on college basketball thread.

So of the thousands of college basketball games played Saturday, I'm supposed to assume one incident in one game is already under discussion?

 

[Moderator1]

Karl Hess - wow, I don't even have enough time. But this does not surprise me. During my brief run at VCU, he went after a player whose back was turned and was walking away.

Karl Hess is The Show. And don't you ever forget it.

 

[Moderator1]

And this is worthy of a breakout thread. Like Hondo, I don't read many of the "running" threads.

 

[Mizzougrad96]

Definitely worthy of its own thread. I covered a hoops coach who I asked about a questionable call and he said, "If I say anything about Hess, I'm going to get fined..."

 

[Sam Mills 51]

Caulton Tudor, a long-time observer of ACC basketball, strikes a solid note:

http://www.newsobserver.com/2012/02/19/1868738/tudor-referees-out-of-line-ejections.html

I said most of what I wanted to say on the college basketball thread. In summary, Karl Hess really, really needs to get over himself.

 

[Sam Mills 51]

So FSU takes the Dixie Classic? [/goingoldschool]

Awesome. Should Mike revive "The game's not over yet, Dean!", too?

 

[User 4332]

And now N.C. State is going to have a special honor for the '89 ACC title team, which featured Googs and Corchiani, at its next home game. Hilarious:

http://blogs.newsobserver.com/accnow/nc-state-to-honor-89-acc-title-team

Yow did not comment on the timing of the decision to honor the '89 team, which featured Corchiani at point guard and Rodney Monroe at shooting guard. Gugliotta was a reserve forward on the team. All three players have their jerseys honored in the RBC Center rafters.

 

[Sam Mills 51]

And now N.C. State is going to have a special honor for the '89 ACC title team, which featured Googs and Corchiani, at its next home game. Hilarious:

http://blogs.newsobserver.com/accnow/nc-state-to-honor-89-acc-title-team

Yow did not comment on the timing of the decision to honor the '89 team, which featured Corchiani at point guard and Rodney Monroe at shooting guard. Gugliotta was a reserve forward on the team. All three players have their jerseys honored in the RBC Center rafters.

And, given that NCSU is playing Chapel Hill, Hess could be assigned to the game. The unintentional comedy potential could be off the scale.

If Hess was looking to out-showboat **** Paparo, he's well on his way.

 

[lone star scribe]

There's no way on Earth that John Clougherty will assign Hess to Tuesday night's UNC-NCSU game.

 

[Sam Mills 51]

There's no way on Earth that John Clougherty will assign Hess to Tuesday night's UNC-NCSU game.

But these assignments are usually planned far enough in advance. When the assignments were sent out, no one could have known how big a mess Karl Hess would make on Saturday.

Question is, is it practical or realistic for Clougherty to alter the officiating schedule if Hess is currently assigned to Raleigh?

 

[Gold]

The one mistake Hess did make - and Clougherty made this point - is that there is an intermediate step Hess should have taken, which was to contact the site manager.

As someone who has officiated at the low levels of HS basketball, knowing who is the site manager is a pre-game responsibility of an official. There are a couple of reasons to give some consideration to the official.

1. I have seen a coach who was serving as a radio commentator yell at a ref in a Division 3 college game. The coach/commentator yelled from press row, asking if the ref was related to the other team. He was admonished by a media member who said not to do that at the press table. After the game, the coach/commentator apologized to the admonisher and me, acknowledging he was wrong. What I asked him was how could he lose control given that he was a coach. He said it was difficult being on the sideline.

2. Even if Hess was too hasty, officials do not react well when they are taking heat because the team is playing lousy. I recall a coach complaining about the fact that there were eight fouls called on his team and none on the other team. I gave the tactful, I'm calling each play as I see it. What I was thinking was, "Coach, your kids are getting called for fouls because they can't play defense correctly - that isn't MY fault"

3. An official has to show they have control of the game. When I umpired softball, at first I didn't have a problem with curse words so long as they were adjectives. I was quickly corrected because allowing swear words showed a lack of control and wouldn't look good if a supervisor was watching me officiate. What we don't know is whether the two alumni were being idiots all game. If they were five or ten rows up, than maybe you could say Hess had "rabbit ears".However, where they were sitting it was apparent that they were guest of NC State and it was right near the scorer's table.

Hess may have overreacted, but you have to act like kind of an idiot to let it get to the point where you get thrown out.

 

[Jake_Taylor]

Gold, your points are pretty good when talking about officials in general, but Hess is a unique case. Anybody who has seen many games he's called has to believe he probably threw those two out because he knew it would get people talking about him. He's been an attention-seeking clown for years and it's baffling why the ACC hires him to do its games.

 

[Chef2]

As an official, one of the rules is "You don't listen to the fans."

I don't care if I get called a donkey-raping **** eater, I'm not running a fan.

I've got more important stuff going on in the game in front of me than to run a fan. If a game administrator wants to run them, fine.

The fans are the ones who look like idiots when they act like that.

 

[micropolitan guy]

If an ACC-level basketball official can't take some hazing from the fans, he has no business being an ACC-level official. Rabbit ears and a red ass, to boot.

And isn't Clougherty the guy who called that ticky-tack last-second foul on Seton Hall in the NCAA championship game against Michigan?