E-Bola

[SnarkShark]

Jesus, Boom. All right. We get it.

 

[YankeeFan]

So, the cruise ship carrying the health-care worker who “may have” handled lab specimens from Thomas Eric Duncan wasn't allowed to dock in Mexico, and Belize wouldn't let the worker off, so that they could be flown home.

Panic, or wise decision on their part?

 

[BadgerBeer]

I have not stayed up to date on this situation. How many US citizens have died so far? Have another 40 or 50 people been infected in the last 24 hours? Very concerned.

 

[YankeeFan]

When CDC Director Dr. Thomas Frieden traveled to Africa, his neck wasn't exposed. None of his skin was exposed, as he was decontaminated with a near lethal does of chlorine.

Why didn't the nurses in Dallas have have the same protection that was available to Dr. Frieden in Africa?

And, if they were in the right gear, they could have been properly decontaminated, so that they could not have been infected while removing their gear as is suspected.

 

[YankeeFan]

I have not stayed up to date on this situation. How many US citizens have died so far? Have another 40 or 50 people been infected in the last 24 hours? Very concerned.

OK. very good. Evreyone is in panic mode, right?

What steps taken then were unnecessary?

-- Appointment of an Ebola Czar

-- Travel ban on all healthcare workers who came into contact with Duncan

-- Nurses and Flight crew being isolated.

-- schools being closed in Cleveland and Texas, and a bridal shop being closed in Cleveland.

-- Mexico and Belize balking at letting the cruise ship dock/let the passenger off

 

[3_Octave_Fart]

I am not reading 'panic' tonally in respectable news outlets.

 

[YankeeFan]

A travel ban would hurt "'fledgling democracies"? Is that what this is about?

And, should be look at the Democratic record in the countries involved?

Murphy: "Dr. Frieden, when we spoke on the phone the other day, you remained opposed to travel restrictions, because in your words, you said cutting commercial ties would hurt these fledgling democracies. Now is this the opinion of CDC? Is this your opinion or did someone also advise you, someone within the administration, someone in any other agencies, where did this opinion come from that that's of high importance?

Frieden: "My sole concern is to protect Americans. We can do that by continuing to take the steps we are taking here as well as to --

Murphy: "Did someone advise you on that, someone outside of yourself? Somebody else advise you that that's the position, we need to protect fledgling democracies?

Frieden: "My recollection of that conversation is that that discussion was in the context of our ability to stop the epidemic at the source.

 

[YankeeFan]

Hopefully, Jay Farrar is not scratching his head, wondering why I'm quoting the guy from Caddy Shack.

One can only hope that you have an espresso machine install at Emory or that Dallas hospital's isolation ward. A nice frothy cup of ebola would do you some good.

Did you really wish Ebola upon me?

Is that some 2014 liberal version of "Die in a fire"?

Funny thing is, I'm in and out of hospitals a couple of times a week. Today, I was on a college campus, in a hospital, and in a major transportation hub doing work. Yesterday I was on the campus of a major drug manufacturer. If I was an "Ebola terrorist", I could be very effective.

 

[Boom_70]

So far 30 countries have banned travel or put in restrictions from West Africa
http://www.newsmax.com/TheWire/ebola-travel-ban/2014/10/16/id/601025/

Angola

Botswana

Cameroon

Chad

Colombia (South America)
Congo (DRC)

Equatorial Guinea

Gabon

Gambia

Ivory Coast
Kenya

Lesotho

Madagascar

Malawi

Mauritius

Morocco
Mozambique

Namibia

Nigeria

Rwanda

St. Lucia
Senegal

South Africa

South Sudan

Swaziland

Tanzania

Togo

Zambia 

Zimbabwe


 

[YankeeFan]

Clearly racist decision.

 

[Boom_70]

Clearly racist decision.

We're 26 pages in with a lot of great points made but the problems that have resulted from
poor execution on part of US comes down to one word:

OPTICS

Clear that many decisions were made based on optics as opposed to what was best.

 

[YankeeFan]

When did the President have his first meeting with the CDC regarding the Ebola crisis?

Beneath the calming reassurance that President Obama has repeatedly offered during the Ebola crisis, there is a deepening frustration, even anger, with how the government has handled key elements of the response.

Those frustrations spilled over when Mr. Obama convened his top aides in the Cabinet room after canceling his schedule on Wednesday. Medical officials were providing information that later turned out to be wrong. Guidance to local health teams was not adequate. It was unclear which Ebola patients belonged in which threat categories.

“It’s not tight,” a visibly angry Mr. Obama said of the response, according to people briefed on the meeting. He told aides they needed to get ahead of events and demanded a more hands-on approach, particularly from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. “He was not satisfied with the response,” a senior official said.

The difference between the public and private messages illustrates the dilemma Mr. Obama faces on Ebola — and a range of other national security issues — as he tries to galvanize the response to a public health scare while not adding to the sense of panic fueled by 24-hour cable TV and the nonstop Twitter chatter.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/18/us/amid-assurances-on-ebola-obama-is-said-to-seethe.html

 

[old_tony]

Great opening line:

Lockheed Martin thinks it may just about have a handle on this nuclear-fusion thing, but the U.S. government cannot manage to keep Ebola patients off a flight to Cleveland. Sometimes, you simply must hate the 21st century.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/390532/ebola-administration-kevin-d-williamson

They would've been able to keep those people off the flight if the CDC budget wasn't slashed.

Not seeing the connection. Why was CDC budget slashed?

It's not that its budget was slashed, it's that they were spending their money on dumb things such as a study on why lesbians are fat.

 

[Boom_70]

When did the President have his first meeting with the CDC regarding the Ebola crisis?

Beneath the calming reassurance that President Obama has repeatedly offered during the Ebola crisis, there is a deepening frustration, even anger, with how the government has handled key elements of the response.

Those frustrations spilled over when Mr. Obama convened his top aides in the Cabinet room after canceling his schedule on Wednesday. Medical officials were providing information that later turned out to be wrong. Guidance to local health teams was not adequate. It was unclear which Ebola patients belonged in which threat categories.

“It’s not tight,” a visibly angry Mr. Obama said of the response, according to people briefed on the meeting. He told aides they needed to get ahead of events and demanded a more hands-on approach, particularly from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. “He was not satisfied with the response,” a senior official said.

The difference between the public and private messages illustrates the dilemma Mr. Obama faces on Ebola — and a range of other national security issues — as he tries to galvanize the response to a public health scare while not adding to the sense of panic fueled by 24-hour cable TV and the nonstop Twitter chatter.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/18/us/amid-assurances-on-ebola-obama-is-said-to-seethe.html

Jarret, Valerie