dwayne jarrett, fraud???

[shockey]

the ever-slipping usc wideout could be headed for mike williams-dom. he reportedly ran the 40 from anywhere from 4.6-4.65 secs today in his private workout. that is sloooow by today's standards. i mean, former southern cal star keyshawn johnson ran under 4.5 in his pristine-conditions workout in '96.

in the land ruled by stopwatches, jarrett lost a lot of money today.

 

[Hammer Pants]

Didn't Anquan Boldin run a 4.81?

 

[typewriterhill]

Since when did 40 numbers mean a player does or doesn't have other NFL quality skills?

 

[Hammer Pants]

Since when did 40 numbers mean a player does or doesn't have other NFL quality skills?

It doesn't. But it can and does knock you down most draft boards. It does cost you $.

 

[Ellis Redding]

Didn't Jerry Rice run a 4.6?

 

[shockey]

yes, jerry rice ran a 4.6. emmitt smith ran in the low 4.6s. and that's why both were taken lower than you'd expect. they both went in round 1, but the most righteous bucks for rookies comes in the top 10. the nfl is filled with players who are better than their 40 times.

the fact remains, few have the balls to take guys super high at receiver, running back and cornerback who don't time at 4.5 or better. just a fact.

jarrett could prove to be terrific. but he'll have to wait until his second contract to be paid like it. and if he's not great, then he'll never make up the rookie contract he cost himself with his 40 times.

 

[slappy4428]

the ever-slipping usc wideout could be headed for mike williams-dom. he reportedly ran the 40 from anywhere from 4.6-4.65 secs today in his private workout. that is sloooow by today's standards. i mean, former southern cal star keyshawn johnson ran under 4.5 in his pristine-conditions workout in '96.

in the land ruled by stopwatches, jarrett lost a lot of money today.

That clinches it: "With the second pick in the draft, the Detroit Lions take...."

 

[amraeder]

Why take a reciever in the first round anyway? It's seems to be one of the hardest positions to project, and to have plenty of success stories from late rounds.

 

[lantaur]

profootballtalk.com thinks Jarrett is first-round worthy:

"We'd previously left USC receiver Dwayne Jarrett out of the first round of our mock draft because our sources believed that he would run a 4.7 or slower in the 40-yard dash.

A league source tells us that Jarrett ran a 4.62 on grass, which teams generally regard as equivalent to the FieldTurf on which recruits run at scouting combine.

"NFL.com lists Jarrett's times as 4.62 and 4.67.

"It's good enough to vault Jarrett back into the first round of our yanked-from-our-rear-ends projection of picks."

 

[girl friday]

Since when did 40 numbers mean a player does or doesn't have other NFL quality skills?

It isn't the determining factor in whether or not you have NFL skills, but workouts have made players tons of money over the years (Mike Mamula, anyone?) and it can lose it just as quickly.

And amraeder, I completely agree with you -- I think receiver is one of, if not the, most overrated position in football. Too many other things have to happen before those preening divas (not all, but many) get to do their job.

 

[Piotr Rasputin]

This is excellent news.

It gives me hope that Jarrett can drop all the way to my (crappy) team's early second-round slot. Guy catches the ball, he makes plays. The mention of Mike Mamula is enough to show that workouts are not the be-all, end-all,

Hell, now I'm dreaming that the raiders, seeing they can get him, unload Moss for some picks to pick up Jarrett.

OK, they're not that smart. But a downtrodden fan can dream.

 

[MU_was_not_so_hard]

That's fine -- let him slip to 23 so KC can pick him up. It doesn't look like Trent Green is going anywhere just yet.

 

[slappy4428]

That's fine -- let him slip to 23 so KC can pick him up. It doesn't look like Trent Green is going anywhere just yet.

Buh... buh... buh. Brodie Croyle is supposed to start!!!! [/sec/bama fanboys who love quarterbacks who get a lot of yardage but cant throw or run]

 

[GB-Hack]

I know there's a case for saying he's costing himself rooking money, but if you come in and play well at receiver in this league, you're going to get yours down the line.

I think he's going to be a very good player for a long time in this league, with a lot of money to show for it at the end.

 

[shockey]

if he becomes a star, no doubt, he'll more than make up the money. but if he's mike williams redux. that 40 time will have cost him a couple of mil forever. the streets are littered with top 10 duds who can survive a loooong time on that first signing bonus. that's the point here.

 

[GB-Hack]

Sure, that's the if. But why are GM's and scouts in general so enamoured with 40 times? I honestly ask because there are workout warriors every year who aren't good football players, and player who supposedly underperform in things like this and go on to have good if not great careers.

 

[The Big Ragu]

You nailed it GB. A football player is a football player. Yes, fast and strong are good qualities. But you can't measure the thing that makes some guys playmakers and some guys duds. There were teams that thought Jerry Rice was too slow to be anything but an average receiver. I'm not saying Dwayne Jarrett will be any good, but that 40 time could be meaningless. He's a decent-sized receiver, with excellent hands, who showed an ability to make plays for a big time college program. Isn't how you perform on the field what should be important, not how fast you run for a guy holding a stop watch?

 

[Alma]

40 times matter for receivers because completing just one or two long passes is the equivalent of a home run in football. Defenses are scared to death of the deep ball. 40 times are why guys like Ashley Lelie, Lee Evans and Bernard Berrian have jobs at all.

 

[typewriterhill]

~~wakes up from 3 year dream ~~~

You mean that wasn't Jarrett burning all those cornerbacks with faster 40-times for USC?

Plaxico Burress isn't a speed burner and he finds a way to get over the top against deep coverages and dare I say, Jarrett has much better hands than that droopy punk.

 

[GB-Hack]

You nailed it GB. A football player is a football player. Yes, fast and strong are good qualities. But you can't measure the thing that makes some guys playmakers and some guys duds. There were teams that thought Jerry Rice was too slow to be anything but an average receiver. I'm not saying Dwayne Jarrett will be any good, but that 40 time could be meaningless. He's a decent-sized receiver, with excellent hands, who showed an ability to make plays for a big time college program. Isn't how you perform on the field what should be important, not how fast you run for a guy holding a stop watch?

Thanks for the compliment, but why is the 40 time myth perpetuated? Is it solely for the purpose of allowing the Kiper's of this world to pick at players inbetween the end of the season and the draft?