Duke lacrosse accuser's name

[Mighty_Wingman]

Sheeeit. Hiring strippers is an entirely legal practice, however unsavory we might find it.

For that matter, sending a crazy, American Psycho-inspired e-mail about skinning women is legal, however disturbing it may be. And yet both were -- and for folks like my friend dooley, still are -- evidence that these kids are still "guilty" of something.

 

[Hammer Pants]

They are guilty of bad taste, which is not a crime.

But everyone planning a bachelor party in the future should remember this. It is playing with fire, unless you know the dancer pretty darn well.

Not that I'm better than anyone, but like I've written before, my buddies will be under STRICT ORDERS not to hire a stripper if I have a bachelor party. Personally, I would rather go to a baseball game, have some beers and hot dogs, go to a few bars, take some shots, get smashed and then after-party with my buddies and keep drinking and teling stories until everyone passed out. I really wouldn't mind if some of my female friends came, too.

 

[dooley_womack1]

I stand by what I say, wing. If you think the woman was treated with decorum and wasn't pawed over and wasn't racially abused, then I think you're delusional. These were privileged folks who used a woman as a sexual object. Like I said, not guilty but far from innocent. A situation with no winners and culpability all around.

 

[Mighty_Wingman]

In fairness, it was her job to take her clothes off in front of strangers.

I'm pretty sure we only have her word she was "pawed over" or "racially abused," and I'm not too confident in her word these days. And again, to act like this is the only group of college-aged men in the world who would treat a stripper with a lack of decorum seems a little too precious.

Your take is surprisingly Puritanical, my man. Men who look at naked women who aren't their wives or girlfriends are "culpable" of something? Forgive the expression, but you seem to be blaming the victims.

 

[sportschick]

Actually Winger, there are independent witnesses, neighbors I believe, who heard the players yelling racial taunts at the women, so that she was racially abused is probably true.

Doesn't mean they deserved to be accused of rape.

 

[Mighty_Wingman]

I stand corrected, sc. And I totally agree.

 

[Mighty_Wingman]

Actually Winger, there are independent witnesses, neighbors I believe, who heard the players yelling racial taunts at the women, so that she was racially abused is probably true.

Minor threadjack: I just discovered that "Winger" is a catch-all term for right-wing bloggers in the left-wing blog community. Is it just coincidence that that's become my SportsJournalists.com nickname of choice? I know my old pal F_B's called me that from the start...

 

[RokSki]

Hey, did the strippers bring a 'bodyguard'-type of guy.

I actually had a friend who did this job once. Went with strippers to parties and stuff, just so this type of thing (over-groping, etc) doesn't happen.

If they didn't, VERY dumb move.

That doesn't mean you deserve to be racially taunted, etc. But this is a big no-no, according to my friend who did that job.

 

[GimpyScribe]

I don't think naming her is the journalists' way of handing out punishment to the woman who falsely accused men of raping her. It's information that can benefit the public. Some people want to know these things. This next sentence may come across as being humorous, but I mean it in all seriousness when I say, if I ever were to hire strippers for a bachelor party, at least I know enough about her to make sure it isn't her. I'd also think there are a lot of other men out there who are happy to know who she is, so they can steer clear of a potential relationship. If she's willing to cry wolf about rape on such a huge scale, what else is she capable of? I, for one, think there's a public service to letting people know who she is.
Is it a shame her life is going to be forever altered by being named? Yes, absolutely. But the Duke players, no matter how many times they're legally said to be innocent, will always have the stain of that rape accusation next to their names. Since she lied about it, she should absolutely share in that.

 

[RokSki]

Gimp - Totally agree. Well said.

 

[GimpyScribe]

Hey, did the strippers bring a 'bodyguard'-type of guy.

I actually had a friend who did this job once. Went with strippers to parties and stuff, just so this type of thing (over-groping, etc) doesn't happen.

If they didn't, VERY dumb move.

That doesn't mean you deserve to be racially taunted, etc. But this is a big no-no, according to my friend who did that job.

Rok, you're not fooling us ... we all know you don't have any friends. ;)
And, you can't even keep from bashing Bryant on THIS thread, too? Why should I be surprised ... lol

 

[Mizzougrad96]

She should be named and prosecuted...

 

[RokSki]

Rok, you're not fooling us ... we all know you don't have any friends. ;)

My facade, clearly, is shattered... :'(

And, you can't even keep from bashing Bryant on THIS thread, too? Why should I be surprised ... lol

As much as I've been watching Lakers games, writing about him, and altering my profile, are you surprised the Kober is on the brain?

:)

 

[Ashy Larry]

No you don't. Exonerated by DNA evidence and declared innocent by the Attorney General -- a pretty extraordinary move -- is pretty compelling.

Not the point. We report that. Where I draw the line is us straying from our role as detached observer and meting out punishment to the woman with gleeful or attacking headlines and splashing her name -- which performs no public service, as she is free to change her name, just like Tawana Brawley changed hers. They are saying she will not be charged, and no doubt they have their reasons for that. It is not our role to perform a vigilante-style pillory of this woman in the public square. We report on the penal system, we ought not usurp its role.

Frank....did you feel the same way back in April '06? Do you feel the media simply reported a woman had accused players from the Duke lax team of rape....or did they mete out punishment with glee and splash their names and faces all over the place?
Lets be honest......99% of the coverage led the public to believe there was no doubt the players were guilty, would be convicted and should serve 30+ years in prison.

But I must credit the media for their most recent coverage, at least the world now knows they should have never been charged, and their accuser lied.

 

[Hammer Pants]

She should be named and prosecuted...

Even if she's legitimately insane? From the reports on her past, that's a very real possibility.

 

[sportschick]

She should be named and prosecuted...

Even if she's legitimately insane? From the reports on her past, that's a very real possibility.

They've already said they won't prosecute her because they think she believes every story she's told the authorities.

If she's insane, and that seems to be a likely thing, she needs to be put into treatment. This isn't the first time she's accused men of raping her, and nobody else should have to go through what the Duke players went through because she can't separate fact from fiction.

 

[chazp]

Just curious as to what people's papers are choosing to do with the Duke lacrosse accuser's name. How many papers are using it in stories? I know AP isn't, but some of the N.C. papers are.

We're not because we don't use accuser's name, etc., but I really don't think I agree with it. While I'm not in favor of publishing accusers' names generally, that she lied about the accusations is obvious at this point and I don't think she deserves the protection of anonymity any longer.

Agreed. This is much different than printing her name if they were acquitted after trial. This is a false accusation that isn't going to trial.
That said, most papers will not run it because it isn't PC and don't want to face the backlash from womyn's groups.

Slappy, your spelling leaves something to be desired, or was that meant to be spelled with a "Y?"

 

[Ashy Larry]

Chazp.....hard core feminists spell it with a "y",...."womyn". Think about it....

 

[sportschick]

Not all of us, but you guys fear of feminists is kinda cute.

 

[RokSki]

Not all of us, but you guys fear of feminists is kinda cute.

I love feminists!