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Why does that make them ineligible to profit off their own name?

It doesn’t.

But athletes wouldn’t make very much on their own. Boosters dropping millions...that’s all fantasy nonsense. There’s always the “car dealer” line...is anyone buying a car because “hi, I’m Nick Bosa, on behalf of Buckeye Chevy dealers...”

Athletes could make some decent money bound together from a shoe/apparel deal.

This will be a non issue in basketball in 5 years. It never quite goes away in football.
 
It doesn’t.

But athletes wouldn’t make very much on their own. Boosters dropping millions...that’s all fantasy nonsense. There’s always the “car dealer” line...is anyone buying a car because “hi, I’m Nick Bosa, on behalf of Buckeye Chevy dealers...”

Athletes could make some decent money bound together from a shoe/apparel deal.

This will be a non issue in basketball in 5 years. It never quite goes away in football.

The NCAA still says it makes them ineligible.
 
For now. We’ll see how it changes.

You can’t just pay em, you understand. Not without paying women athletes. Title IX demands that.

Male and female athletes both are now getting full cost of attendance, thanks to the lawsuits that has put the NCAA on the defensive.

Private businesses don't have to follow Title IX. Buckeye Chevy doesn't have to hire a woman's swimmer just because they hire the quarterback.
 
Male and female athletes both are now getting full cost of attendance, thanks to the lawsuits that has put the NCAA on the defensive.

Private businesses don't have to follow Title IX. Buckeye Chevy doesn't have to hire a woman's swimmer just because they hire the quarterback.

When I say “pay them” I meant a salary.

I know private businesses don’t have to follow title Ix
 
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It doesn’t.

But athletes wouldn’t make very much on their own. Boosters dropping millions...that’s all fantasy nonsense. There’s always the “car dealer” line...is anyone buying a car because “hi, I’m Nick Bosa, on behalf of Buckeye Chevy dealers...”

Athletes could make some decent money bound together from a shoe/apparel deal.

This will be a non issue in basketball in 5 years. It never quite goes away in football.
They shouldn’t have their rights stripped because they’ve been given a scholarship.
 
They shouldn’t have their rights stripped because they’ve been given a scholarship.

Rights? Rights to what? To make money off their likeness? They don't lose that right. They still have the right to do it. They just can't do it while playing college sports. You sign a thing that says you can't or they kick you out or suspend you. You sign it, you agree to it. Don't agree? Don't sign it. Or sign it and then go on a strategic strike that brings the system to a halt.

People make these choices all the time. If I work at one paper, I lose the ability to work for the competitor unless I leave my current employer.

While far different in degree, it's not different in kind.

College athletes can always choose to strike. Just not play. In fact, I think it'd be good if they did. Then we'd have the standoff we need to have, the NCAA would or wouldn't respond with replacement players, and away we'd go.

What instead has happened - and we think it's a good thing but, in many ways, it really isn't - is a constant media shaming campaign to change things. Seems like the right thing to do, probably isn't, and what's one person's "righteous" media campaign - say, the crusade against liberalism in America - is another person's blight on humanity.

It's what liberals either don't understand or have stopped understanding or choose not to understand. Advocacy journalism goes both ways. Conservatives and traditionalists aren't just going to sit it out while all the "better, smarter" people solve all the world's problems, including college athlete compensation.

(And, yes, there are conservatives who think college athletes should be able to make money off their likeness.)
 
College athletes can always choose to strike. Just not play. In fact, I think it'd be good if they did. Then we'd have the standoff we need to have, the NCAA would or wouldn't respond with replacement players, and away we'd go.
Maybe they could just kneel during the national anthem. :cool:
 
Rights? Rights to what? To make money off their likeness? They don't lose that right. They still have the right to do it. They just can't do it while playing college sports. You sign a thing that says you can't or they kick you out or suspend you. You sign it, you agree to it. Don't agree? Don't sign it. Or sign it and then go on a strategic strike that brings the system to a halt.

People make these choices all the time. If I work at one paper, I lose the ability to work for the competitor unless I leave my current employer.

While far different in degree, it's not different in kind.

College athletes can always choose to strike. Just not play. In fact, I think it'd be good if they did. Then we'd have the standoff we need to have, the NCAA would or wouldn't respond with replacement players, and away we'd go.

What instead has happened - and we think it's a good thing but, in many ways, it really isn't - is a constant media shaming campaign to change things. Seems like the right thing to do, probably isn't, and what's one person's "righteous" media campaign - say, the crusade against liberalism in America - is another person's blight on humanity.

It's what liberals either don't understand or have stopped understanding or choose not to understand. Advocacy journalism goes both ways. Conservatives and traditionalists aren't just going to sit it out while all the "better, smarter" people solve all the world's problems, including college athlete compensation.

(And, yes, there are conservatives who think college athletes should be able to make money off their likeness.)

Except when you work for a paper, you don't have all the papers colluding with an umbrella organization of members to agree on compensation caps for the ones who are generating the revenue.

Why also should the athletes be limited to striking, when they can use other methods at their disposal, such as the legal system.

Also, the conservatives and traditionalists are upset because the better and smarter people are constantly proving them wrong when they're calling for changes to a system that, conveniently, excessively benefit the traditionalists. Two examples: professionalism in the Olympics and free agency in baseball.
 
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College athletes can always choose to strike. Just not play. In fact, I think it'd be good if they did. Then we'd have the standoff we need to have, the NCAA would or wouldn't respond with replacement players, and away we'd go.

Hmmm, this would be interesting. The players would be burning all their equity in one massive stand. Unsure if it works (somewhat doubtful) at least in football, but it would never win over public perception. At least in pro sports, one can characterize the owners and the league badly. But you're talking about folks' alma maters, places that are in a heavy way part of their identity. The players, if they could somehow organize, might get something, but man they'd take it on the chin.

And even if they all got replaced, they'd still have value. Someone would still be slipping them money. Schools would still find ways to indirectly compensate them, and away we'd indeed go.

I don't know if henpecking the NCAA to pieces will work. I'd be interested to see the counterbalance journalism. Shaming created more freedom of movement, added a decent bit of compensation thus far.

The likeness thing might well be a dealbreaker. Again, market situations show these kids have value. Folks want to pay them. Schools want to spend tons of money on weight rooms and fancy facilities with luxuries to woo them. But with likeness, school loses the ability to be the only negotiator. That in the end might be too much to bear.

(To be clear, schools can't and won't pay kids. It's unworkable. If they create a market for them to get paid, it likely fixes a lot, but it probably takes a chunk from the schools as the market becomes more efficent)
 
Rights? Rights to what? To make money off their likeness? They don't lose that right. They still have the right to do it. They just can't do it while playing college sports. You sign a thing that says you can't or they kick you out or suspend you. You sign it, you agree to it. Don't agree? Don't sign it. Or sign it and then go on a strategic strike that brings the system to a halt.

People make these choices all the time. If I work at one paper, I lose the ability to work for the competitor unless I leave my current employer.

While far different in degree, it's not different in kind.

College athletes can always choose to strike. Just not play. In fact, I think it'd be good if they did. Then we'd have the standoff we need to have, the NCAA would or wouldn't respond with replacement players, and away we'd go.

What instead has happened - and we think it's a good thing but, in many ways, it really isn't - is a constant media shaming campaign to change things. Seems like the right thing to do, probably isn't, and what's one person's "righteous" media campaign - say, the crusade against liberalism in America - is another person's blight on humanity.

It's what liberals either don't understand or have stopped understanding or choose not to understand. Advocacy journalism goes both ways. Conservatives and traditionalists aren't just going to sit it out while all the "better, smarter" people solve all the world's problems, including college athlete compensation.

(And, yes, there are conservatives who think college athletes should be able to make money off their likeness.)
What an absolute crock of ****. And your analogies would make Baron embarrassed.
 
But athletes wouldn’t make very much on their own. Boosters dropping millions...that’s all fantasy nonsense. There’s always the “car dealer” line...is anyone buying a car because “hi, I’m Nick Bosa, on behalf of Buckeye Chevy dealers...”

Athletes could make some decent money bound together from a shoe/apparel deal.

This will be a non issue in basketball in 5 years. It never quite goes away in football.

If that's the case, why would the NCAA fight to hold onto it? Unless there's something to lose?

(Another interesting question, is anyone buying a car because it's the official truck of the Buckeyes? Maybe not, but there's probably a lot of car ads associated with OSU for some reason)
 
Old conservative white men are offended young athletes, the majority being black are offended that they may be able to make some money off their image. I always thought old conservatives were all about making money. I wonder what’s different here.
 
Always thought if the NCAA wanted to, they could easily license out the video games and put the revenue into a general fund for the players. Divide it up by however many schools and players are in the game, and then it out after graduation/eligibility is used up or as a stipend. I'm not sure what EA Sports' licensing fee was, but it's a drop in the bucket compared to the overall NCAA budget. It'd probably work out to about $200 per player, if that.
They could even do the same with a percentage of the greater merchandising pie. Perhaps 5 percent of all jersey sales go into the same fund with the same rules.
Probably still wouldn't be enough for the "PAY THEM!" crowd, though. Nothing would ever be enough.
 
Always thought if the NCAA wanted to, they could easily license out the video games and put the revenue into a general fund for the players. Divide it up by however many schools and players are in the game, and then it out after graduation/eligibility is used up or as a stipend. I'm not sure what EA Sports' licensing fee was, but it's a drop in the bucket compared to the overall NCAA budget. It'd probably work out to about $200 per player, if that.
They could even do the same with a percentage of the greater merchandising pie. Perhaps 5 percent of all jersey sales go into the same fund with the same rules.
Probably still wouldn't be enough for the "PAY THEM!" crowd, though. Nothing would ever be enough.

Why should it be enough? College sports is a business. The athletes want to treat it as such.
 
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Why should it be enough? College sports is a business. The athletes want to treat it as such.

But if it were a business there would be two sports remaining and the athletes in those sports would make decent money.
College athletes should get paid, but not sure if all of them should get paid. Wrestling is a very demanding sport, but other than
a handful of schools no one goes to college wrestling matches. Guess it comes down to football and basketball players being OK
with sharing the revenue they generate with athletes in other sports. Don't know all the rules, but have a buddy whose nephew is
going to play D1 basketball in two years. He has a full ride and will get an 8k stipend. That's pretty good.
 

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