Does this kid deserve a sympathetic NY Times profile?

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He was surrounded by family and friends who tried to protect him, yet in the end he chose or was lured into the wrong crowd.

Just another 14-year-old who "fell in with the wrong crowd," and fired a gun at the cops.

Why does he get a sympathetic profile? Does he deserve it?

To those who did not know him, Shaaliver Douse was an example of everything that can go wrong in a young life.

Though only 14, Shaaliver already had two gun-related arrests on his record when he was confronted by police officers early on Aug. 4 as he chased and shot at another teenager in the Bronx. The officers said they ordered him to drop the gun. Instead, he fired again. An officer shot and killed him.

In the days that followed, Shaaliver came to embody the worst possibilities of urban teenage life: a repeat offender caught up in a vicious rivalry with other gang members, one that erupted into violence at a time when most boys his age are home, safely asleep.

His death did not elicit expressions of outrage by elected officials. There were no mass rallies against police brutality, either. Shaaliver’s memorial service at a church in Harlem last week was largely unnoticed by the news media.

How a young boy grew into a teenager so enmeshed in violence remains a question that many who knew him are still struggling to answer. After being released pending trial on a gun charge in October, Shaaliver was arrested again in May on charges of attempted murder, suspected of shooting at a teenager from a rival gang, wounding him; the case was dropped after the victim stopped cooperating.

“He said he had the gun for protection,” said Victor Schurr, the defense lawyer representing Shaaliver in the October gun case. “He didn’t give me the impression he was a troublemaker. He said there were some other people in the community, and he was in danger of being hurt.”

Kevin O’Connor, an assistant commissioner at the New York Police Department who follows gang violence, said he had never seen “a kid with three gun scenarios in nine months in my 25 years of dealing with youth.”

http://nyti.ms/16FqjyA
 
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I'll have to read the whole thing, but is it that sympathetic? They quote the defense lawyer, and that's not exactly an unbiased source. Sounds a bit like the controversial RS good kid-gone-bad angle. None of these guys start off like this. They were all soneone's toddler once. It's interesting to see what happened.
 
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Nope.
 
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I haven't read the link, but that excerpt reads "How did things come to this," not sympathetic.
 
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Not sympathetic. You read a lot YF. Do you understand ANY of it? Seems not.
 
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Questioning ≠ sympathy.
 
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The title of this thread is embarrassing

I have no idea how YF could defend using the adjective sympathetic for this story
 
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Sad that Starman is my one ally on this.

What is it?

At best, it's a sad tale. There's no morality.

Maybe he chose the wrong crowd. Maybe he was just lured into it.

No questioning the community values. Though, he's a victim of the community, we never find out why the community is so ****ed up.

Did any national outlet lament George Zimmerman's situation? He was an aggressor. A stalker. A "cop wann-a-be."

This kid had already been charged with attempted murder. He's out at 3:00 AM firing a weapon, but he's a victim of circumstance.

Bot, boy did he dress well, and have a sense of fashion!

No. It's not sympathetic at all.
 
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He drifted toward a group of older teenagers associated with the MacBallers, a group affiliated with the Bloods gang who toted guns and fought with rival groups.

Could they find a more passive verb?
 
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But shortly before his death, Shaaliver had confided to a close friend that he wanted to go to college and to get serious about boxing, because that could lead to a career and a future. “He wanted to get out of the projects,” said the friend, Aileen Nunez, 19. “He wanted to move on with his life.”

He just needed a little time. He was going to get away from the gangs, and turn his life around.
 
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Your premise is that George Zimmerman was never sympathetically portrayed?
 
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But you know, either way you frame your narrative (a youth gone tragically wrong, some criminal thug who met his just end) our young hero provided a perfect capstone by being shot down right there in the street.

Well done, Shaaliver Douse. You're a storyteller's dream.
 
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Agree with most of the posts. ... That is a "sympathetic" profile?

I don't care what the circumstances of his death were or what kind of trouble he had gotten in.

It's the story of a 14-year-old kid. He was just a boy.

To answer the question of the thread title, I didn't really find that a "sympathetic" profile, but I actually do think a dead 14-year-old child, who was swept up by gang life in a horrid housing project really does deserve anyone's sympathy -- even if I think sympathy is wasted on someone who is already dead.

That kid never stood a chance. He was just a child making childlike decisions, with **** poor guidance all around him. He hadn't reached adulthood yet, so he didn't have great tools to make better decisions. No wisdom or life experience or maturity to help guide him -- not that that often even overcomes that kind of environment. In this case, though, he was just a kid. Who doesn't read that and feel sad?

Anyone here. .... when you were 14, did you have gangs and guns around you, a crappy housing project as your backdrop, and every wrong signal about what to glorify? How mature were you at that age? Do you really think you would have been much different than that kid if that is the crappy hand you were dealt?
 
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Agree with most of the posts. ... That is a "sympathetic" profile?

I don't care what the circumstances of his death were or what kind of trouble he had gotten in.

It's the story of a 14-year-old kid. He was just a boy.

To answer the question of the thread title, I didn't really find that a "sympathetic" profile, but I actually do think a dead 14-year-old child, who was swept up by gang life in a horrid housing project really does deserve anyone's sympathy -- even if I think sympathy is wasted on someone who is already dead.

That kid never stood a chance. He was just a child making childlike decisions, with **** poor guidance all around him. He hadn't reached adulthood yet, so he didn't have great tools to make better decisions. No wisdom or life experience or maturity to help guide him -- not that that often even overcomes that kind of environment. In this case, though, he was just a kid. Who doesn't read that and feel sad?

Anyone here. .... when you were 14, did you have gangs and guns around you, a crappy housing project as your backdrop, and every wrong signal about what to glorify? How mature were you at that age? Do you really think you would have been much different than that kid if that is the crappy hand you were dealt?

And yet, the article doesn't look into his influences. I'm guessing he wasn't influenced by Sarah Palin or Rush Limbaugh, because the article didn't mention it.

His family likely wasn't involved in the Tea party, or Brian Ross would have tweeted about it.

So, what were his influences?

And, why when a mentally ill young man in Connecticut commits a crime with a gun, is there so much anger directed at his (murdered) mother for her failings, but we barely get a look at this child's parents?
 
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The aunt calls it murder:

Douse’s aunt disagreed with Kelly justifying the shooting.

“That’s was my sister’s only baby,” Quwana Barcene said. “I’m tired of the police getting away with murder.”

“Trayvon Martin is never going to end. Sean Bell happened to my nephew. This rookie cop — please bring him up on charges as a murderer.”

http://newsone.com/2659733/shaaliver-douse-bronx/


Despite this show of evidence, his family has denied that the 14-year-old boy was involved in gangs and said the NYPD is trying to whitewash the killing.

'They're making it all up. There was no gun. It’s all a cover-up. It’s what the police do. They kill us and cover it up,' the boy's aunt Quwana Barcene told the Post.

'It’s not fair. It was my sister’s only child. You shouldn’t have to bury your child. My beautiful nephew got shot in the head. A mother of one now has to bury her only child.'
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Ms Barcene likened the shooting to the death of Trayvon Martin in Sanford, Florida - a case that sparked outrage across the country.

'Him, Trayvon Martin, it’s never going to end.' she said. 'A child. Fourteen years old. Fourteen years old. Gone. Shot in the head. By police.'

http://dailym.ai/19FQUNd
 
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I love the way the Times closes the article:

“He dressed well, always had the most expensive shoes on,” said Sabuwh Muhammad, 31, a close family friend. “He really didn’t need for nothing. That’s what I’m trying to tell you, he’s not a kid that went around having to rob people or sell drugs.”

Yeah. That makes a lot of sense.

A 14-year-old, growing up in public housing, always has the most expensive shoes on, and that's presented as evidence for why he wasn't robbing people or selling drugs?

So, how did he afford the sneakers?
 
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