Design thread

[DyePack]

Re: Design thread *Updated 2/4*

isn't extra large a little cliche by now

jesus, if it's a blowout, you know the headlines are gonna be craptastic for this one

It's the best designers can do. They don't do words, ya know.

 

[dixiehack]

Re: Design thread *Updated 2/4*

A page by DyePack. Discuss. ;D

 

[dooley_womack1]

Re: Design thread *Updated 2/4*

They need to mainstream. [/gannett]

 

[DyePack]

Re: Design thread *Updated 2/4*

I don't get it. [/designer]

 

[Songbird]

Re: Design thread *Updated 2/4*

A page by DyePack. Discuss.  ;D

Definitely 1st place APSE.

 

[robschneider]

Re: Design thread *Updated 2/4*

A page by DyePack. Discuss.  ;D

Belo has a mandatory editing test that Wordhawk, er, Dye Pack,  would fail, so there's no way he would he hired in 1957 or 2006. Of course, with the way he conjures up facts, numbers or insight that have no basis in reality, he might have been able to work in our circulation department, circa 2002-05.

 

[DyePack]

Re: Design thread *Updated 2/4*

A page by DyePack. Discuss.  ;D

Belo has a mandatory editing test that Wordhawk, er, Dye Pack,  would fail, so there's no way he would he hired in 1957 or 2006. Of course, with the way he conjures up facts, numbers or insight that have no basis in reality, he might have been able to work in our circulation department, circa 2002-05.

You probably shouldn't be talking about editing tests with posts that refer to "karets."

 

[carrie]

Re: Design thread *Updated 2/4*

Copy editors deal with words.
Designers deal with design.

Copy editors don't design pages.
Designers don't write headlines or rim stories.

At most places, those two worlds never collide. If you want to rag on a poor headline or poor spelling, you need to take it up with a copy editor or a slot editor. When it comes to words, the designer is generally the person the furthest from being responsible for that.

Now, a confusing layout or poor display or poor photo choice or a poor photo crop? That falls completely on the designer.

 

[robschneider]

Re: Design thread *Updated 2/4*

A page by DyePack. Discuss.  ;D

Belo has a mandatory editing test that Wordhawk, er, Dye Pack,  would fail, so there's no way he would he hired in 1957 or 2006. Of course, with the way he conjures up facts, numbers or insight that have no basis in reality, he might have been able to work in our circulation department, circa 2002-05.

You probably shouldn't be talking about editing tests with posts that refer to "karets."

I'm a veteran of editing tests, so I can talk about them all day long, regardless of typos on previous posts. I know a lot about them. It's the very same way that you can talk about being a prick who doesn't have a job and has lots of time to stalk various journalism Internet message boards. Are there any posts about that on SportsJournalists.com? You should go there!

 

[dooley_womack1]

Re: Design thread *Updated 2/4*

Copy editors deal with words.
Designers deal with design.

Copy editors don't design pages.
Designers don't write headlines or rim stories.

At most places, those two worlds never collide. If you want to rag on a poor headline or poor spelling, you need to take it up with a copy editor or a slot editor. When it comes to words, the designer is generally the person the furthest from being responsible for that.

Now, a confusing layout or poor display or poor photo choice or a poor photo crop? That falls completely on the designer.

It's not quite as simple as that. It's on a designer if he/she doesn't leave an adequate hed count for a story involving, let's say, Roethlisberger. It's also on the designer if stories aren't played relative to their news value. A design shouldn't be crapped out for the sake of the news, but the word and design people can't for one second be in different worlds.

 

[carrie]

Re: Design thread *Updated 2/4*

Oh, I completely agree dools.

I know that in no way is Roethlisberger going to fit in a one-column hed at 42 point. Stuff like that goes without saying.

 

[DyePack]

Re: Design thread *Updated 2/4*

A page by DyePack. Discuss.  ;D

Belo has a mandatory editing test that Wordhawk, er, Dye Pack,  would fail, so there's no way he would he hired in 1957 or 2006. Of course, with the way he conjures up facts, numbers or insight that have no basis in reality, he might have been able to work in our circulation department, circa 2002-05.

You probably shouldn't be talking about editing tests with posts that refer to "karets."

I'm a veteran of editing tests, so I can talk about them all day long, regardless of typos on previous posts. I know a lot about them. It's the very same way that you can talk about being a prick who doesn't have a job and has lots of time to stalk various journalism Internet message boards. Are there any posts about that on SportsJournalists.com? You should go there!

Are you a veteran of failing them? Or getting the facts wrong? Because a lot of people here must be unemployed to fit your description.

Just stick to your clique where every major mistake is shrugged off or blamed on another department (see previous post).

 

[DyePack]

Re: Design thread *Updated 2/4*

Oh, I completely agree dools.

I know that in no way is Roethlisberger going to fit in a one-column hed at 42 point. Stuff like that goes without saying.

Except to many designers, who need a lot spelled out in advance. Again and again ...

 

[HoopsMcCann]

Re: Design thread *Updated 2/4*

Oh, I completely agree dools.

I know that in no way is Roethlisberger going to fit in a one-column hed at 42 point. Stuff like that goes without saying.

Except to many designers, who need a lot spelled out in advance. Again and again ...

did a designer kill your mother or something


(or just lock that pressroom door?)

 

[robschneider]

Re: Design thread *Updated 2/4*

Copy editors deal with words.
Designers deal with design.

Copy editors don't design pages.
Designers don't write headlines or rim stories.

At most places, those two worlds never collide. If you want to rag on a poor headline or poor spelling, you need to take it up with a copy editor or a slot editor. When it comes to words, the designer is generally the person the furthest from being responsible for that.

Now, a confusing layout or poor display or poor photo choice or a poor photo crop? That falls completely on the designer.

I'm hoping to leave Wordhawk out of this, but I've got to disagree with you, Carrie. I write headlines, cutlines and graphic material every day. I'm not the best headline writer in the world, but I know what I want. I usually ask our editors to look at the headline I've written and do better. They often do. Often copy editors make design suggestions to me that are great and make a ton of sense because they have been reading the story. Same with the night editor and higher editors.

I think at a ton of papers those two worlds collide alot and the divisions are pretty gray.

The other design stuff is a huge part of what I do as well, but the words are the biggest part of that.

Ignore Wordhawk, er Dye Pack, for the next two pages...

 

[DyePack]

Re: Design thread *Updated 2/4*

Oh, I completely agree dools.

I know that in no way is Roethlisberger going to fit in a one-column hed at 42 point. Stuff like that goes without saying.

Except to many designers, who need a lot spelled out in advance. Again and again ...

did a designer kill your mother or something


(or just lock that pressroom door?)

Not sure I follow that last one ...

 

[DyePack]

Re: Design thread *Updated 2/4*

Copy editors deal with words.
Designers deal with design.

Copy editors don't design pages.
Designers don't write headlines or rim stories.

At most places, those two worlds never collide. If you want to rag on a poor headline or poor spelling, you need to take it up with a copy editor or a slot editor. When it comes to words, the designer is generally the person the furthest from being responsible for that.

Now, a confusing layout or poor display or poor photo choice or a poor photo crop? That falls completely on the designer.

I'm hoping to leave Wordhawk out of this, but I've got to disagree with you, Carrie. I write headlines, cutlines and graphic material every day. I'm not the best headline writer in the world, but I know what I want. I usually ask our editors to look at the headline I've written and do better. They often do. Often copy editors make design suggestions to me that are great and make a ton of sense because they have been poring over the copy. Same with the night editor and higher editors.

I think at a ton of papers those two worlds collide alot and the divisions are pretty gray.

The other design stuff is a huge part of what I do as well, but the words are the biggest part of that.

"Alot" as one word -- no need to make my point any further.

Shouldn't you be watching the game? All the readers who want a cliche headline, a giant, meaningless number and unreadable reverse type are depending on you and other designers.

 

[DyePack]

Re: Design thread *Updated 2/4*

Um, Rob, your last line is against the rules here.

From what I'm told, that's never stopped anyone before.

 

[BTExpress]

Re: Design thread *Updated 2/4*

I'm hoping to leave Wordhawk out of this, but I've got to disagree with you, Carrie. I write headlines, cutlines and graphic material every day. I'm not the best headline writer in the world, but I know what I want. I usually ask our editors to look at the headline I've written and do better. They often do. Often copy editors make design suggestions to me that are great and make a ton of sense because they have been poring over the copy. Same with the night editor and higher editors.

I think at a ton of papers those two worlds collide alot and the divisions are pretty gray.

Absolutely there needs to be communication between the two "worlds."

Oftentimes a designer is the first person to look at the first draft of, say, a centerpiece, and since he knows what kind of art and what kind of treatment he wants to give it, it would be journalistic malpractice for him not to be thinking of display type treatment.

The best designer will have some ideas of his own, or he will be flexible enough to tell the copy editor "give me the words you like, and I will try to make them work."

Of course, this doesn't apply to most stories in the paper, but even then, the designer needs to be on top of things.

If it is a complicated or sensitive story, make sure there is a deck or reader . . . even if it clutters up the page. You owe the copy editor (and the reader) that much.

 

[robschneider]

Re: Design thread *Updated 2/4*

Copy editors deal with words.
Designers deal with design.

Copy editors don't design pages.
Designers don't write headlines or rim stories.

At most places, those two worlds never collide. If you want to rag on a poor headline or poor spelling, you need to take it up with a copy editor or a slot editor. When it comes to words, the designer is generally the person the furthest from being responsible for that.

Now, a confusing layout or poor display or poor photo choice or a poor photo crop? That falls completely on the designer.

I'm hoping to leave Wordhawk out of this, but I've got to disagree with you, Carrie. I write headlines, cutlines and graphic material every day. I'm not the best headline writer in the world, but I know what I want. I usually ask our editors to look at the headline I've written and do better. They often do. Often copy editors make design suggestions to me that are great and make a ton of sense because they have been poring over the copy. Same with the night editor and higher editors.

I think at a ton of papers those two worlds collide alot and the divisions are pretty gray.

The other design stuff is a huge part of what I do as well, but the words are the biggest part of that.

"Alot" as one word -- no need to make my point any further.

Shouldn't you be watching the game? All the readers who want a cliche headline, a giant, meaningless number and unreadable reverse type are depending on you and other designers.

What's really funny is that I tucked eight other spelling and grammatical errors in that post, none of which the super agile Dye Pack caught.

Talk about failing an editing test!