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[Starman]

I broke down and got "The Flash" on home streaming video.
****ing awful. For this **** they essentially jettisoned the entire Snyderverse/Cavill/Affleck/Gadot/Momoa universe they already had going?
I mean each of those sub-franchises had their own problems --WW84 took an unbelievable **** -- but Ezra Miller? You ****in kidding me?

Miller was kinda ok in the various versions of Justice League where his role was to supply goofy dorky kid comic relief for 3 minutes at a time. When he's gotta carry the whole show for 20-30 minutes at a time he's ****ing obnoxious. Especially so because for about half the movie there are two of him on screen at the same time boringly droning on to each other for exposition.

As for the final cameo, they should have figured out a way to have Chris O'Donnell and Burt Ward walk across the camera and make some insipid pun about "holy deja vu!!"

Then exited to the overdubbed echoing laughter of Jack Nicholson, Heath Ledger, Cesar Romero and Mark Hamill.

Leading back to the inevitable conclusion, why didn't they just make a Batman/Superman Flashpoint movie, especially since most of the title actors are still alive? They'd have to do a few minutes of Christopher Reeve CGI, but ****, they spent god knows how much to get Nicolas Cage (!?!!?) or at least his CGI image in this one.

But Batman and Superman have back stories that people KNOW. If Barry Allen goes back in time and jacks up the Flash's story line, who really cares?

Say Superman decides to mess with history and goes back in history 30-35 years, to just about when all the current characters are being born? Maybe he messes up the chain of events so that the Waynes are not killed, but instead baby Bruce is kidnapped by rogue scientist Leonid Luthor? Meanwhile the first Kryptonian rocket is deflected in flight and lands in the forest wildlife area of the grounds of Stately Wayne Manor and is found by grieving parents Thomas and Martha Wayne, mourning the loss of their kidnapped, assumed to be dead, son.

Flash forward 12 years let's say, when the time delayed SECOND Kryptonian rocket, launched in the chaos of the destruction of the planet, finds its way to Kansas and is found by kindly farmers Jonathan and Martha Kent. Blah blah, yadda yadda.

All this makes sense because people KNOW the Superman and Batman back stories. Nobody really knows or cares anything about the Flash's back story other than a vague knowledge he's supposed to be a crime scientist and he's supposed to end up with Iris West.

Oh yeah, the plot contrivance they've come up with that the Speed Force forces the Flash to constantly consume mass quantities of junk food for calories while he's using his powers -- really really ****ing stupid and annoying.
I suppose the logical consequence to that one would be, if he was chowing down all this high calorie junk food while running at super accelerated speeds, soon enough he'd start having to take super accelerated ****s, no? What an opportunity for the CGI crew! Here's Flash speeding along at hypersonic speed!! suddenly he spots a porta potty on the right!! Faster than the eye can see, it's Super Speed ****s!! But wait, no TP!! Don't worry, Barry keeps half a roll in his suit!!

 

[Starman]

Oh, while we're at it, I thought Keaton was surprisingly good -- he was at least as believable in the Batman action scenes as he was 30 years ago.

I was about to say, "damn, Keaton looks good for 70" -- actually he's now 71 -- but then again I think his footage may have been shot several years ago due to this ****-show movie's ridiculously convoluted, repeatedly delayed and dragged-out production history -- so he might have been 5 years younger when his scenes were shot.

Whenever Affleck's scenes were shot, particularly his Batman action scenes, must have been in the middle of one of his drunken bloated periods.

Michael Shannon has become the Michael Corleone of the DC universe, every time he thinks he's out, they pull him back in for a half hour of screen time in the next one.

The guy in the big cameo at the end looks pretty good and also looks pretty contemporary, like that footage could have been shot in the last several months. Probably an easy couple million bucks for 15 minutes work. Put on a nice suit, step out of a car, say two or three lines, cash the check.

From the way the scene was shot, I don't think the big cameo guy ever really had to be on set with Miller at the same time, which I think in the last year or so many big time established actors may have become reluctant, if not highly averse, to do.

It all could have been done with doubles and camera blocking. For all we know Miller's half of the scene could have been shot 5 years ago with somebody else entirely planned to be the cameo guy.

On that general topic, it is interesting that while almost all other DC superhero movie releases were alluded to in the big multiverse CGI montage sequence at the end -- even the Jon Peters/Nicolas Cage/ giant spider Superman Flyby movie that never happened -- rather glaring in its omission is any reference whatsoever to the Nolan/Bale Dark Knight Batverse, unless I missed it, in which case it would have to have been very fleeting.

 

[2muchcoffeeman]

I was today years old when I learned that Jason Mamoa will play Lobo in the new Superman move, which makes a lot more sense than him playing Aquaman.

 

[outofplace]

I was today years old when I learned that Jason Mamoa will play Lobo in the new Superman move, which makes a lot more sense than him playing Aquaman.

He has been begging for the chance to play Lobo for years, and yes, it is a much better fit for him than Aquaman.

 

[outofplace]

I broke down and got "The Flash" on home streaming video.
****ing awful. For this **** they essentially jettisoned the entire Snyderverse/Cavill/Affleck/Gadot/Momoa universe they already had going?
I mean each of those sub-franchises had their own problems --WW84 took an unbelievable **** -- but Ezra Miller? You ****in kidding me?

Miller was kinda ok in the various versions of Justice League where his role was to supply goofy dorky kid comic relief for 3 minutes at a time. When he's gotta carry the whole show for 20-30 minutes at a time he's ****ing obnoxious. Especially so because for about half the movie there are two of him on screen at the same time boringly droning on to each other for exposition.

As for the final cameo, they should have figured out a way to have Chris O'Donnell and Burt Ward walk across the camera and make some insipid pun about "holy deja vu!!"

Then exited to the overdubbed echoing laughter of Jack Nicholson, Heath Ledger, Cesar Romero and Mark Hamill.

Leading back to the inevitable conclusion, why didn't they just make a Batman/Superman Flashpoint movie, especially since most of the title actors are still alive? They'd have to do a few minutes of Christopher Reeve CGI, but ****, they spent god knows how much to get Nicolas Cage (!?!!?) or at least his CGI image in this one.

But Batman and Superman have back stories that people KNOW. If Barry Allen goes back in time and jacks up the Flash's story line, who really cares?

Say Superman decides to mess with history and goes back in history 30-35 years, to just about when all the current characters are being born? Maybe he messes up the chain of events so that the Waynes are not killed, but instead baby Bruce is kidnapped by rogue scientist Leonid Luthor? Meanwhile the first Kryptonian rocket is deflected in flight and lands in the forest wildlife area of the grounds of Stately Wayne Manor and is found by grieving parents Thomas and Martha Wayne, mourning the loss of their kidnapped, assumed to be dead, son.

Flash forward 12 years let's say, when the time delayed SECOND Kryptonian rocket, launched in the chaos of the destruction of the planet, finds its way to Kansas and is found by kindly farmers Jonathan and Martha Kent. Blah blah, yadda yadda.

All this makes sense because people KNOW the Superman and Batman back stories. Nobody really knows or cares anything about the Flash's back story other than a vague knowledge he's supposed to be a crime scientist and he's supposed to end up with Iris West.

Oh yeah, the plot contrivance they've come up with that the Speed Force forces the Flash to constantly consume mass quantities of junk food for calories while he's using his powers -- really really ****ing stupid and annoying.
I suppose the logical consequence to that one would be, if he was chowing down all this high calorie junk food while running at super accelerated speeds, soon enough he'd start having to take super accelerated ****s, no? What an opportunity for the CGI crew! Here's Flash speeding along at hypersonic speed!! suddenly he spots a porta potty on the right!! Faster than the eye can see, it's Super Speed ****s!! But wait, no TP!! Don't worry, Barry keeps half a roll in his suit!!

Flashpoint is a Flash story, and a good one. The decision fits his character better than it would Superman or Batman, who are more thoughtful and intelligent.

The problem with the movie wasn't basing it around Flash. It was a dumbass script and an obnoxious performance by Miller.

There was a very good Elseworlds comic from DC called Speeding Bullets, in which Thomas and Martha Wayne find baby Kal-El and adopt him, so they never have Bruce. This leads to Clark Kent becoming Batman (this is spoiled by the cover art), which ends up being really interesting.

 

[Batman]

Flashpoint is a Flash story, and a good one. The decision fits his character better than it would Superman or Batman, who are more thoughtful and intelligent.

The problem with the movie wasn't basing it around Flash. It was a dumbass script and an obnoxious performance by Miller.

There was a very good Elseworlds comic from DC called Speeding Bullets, in which Thomas and Martha Wayne find baby Kal-El and adopt him, so they never have Bruce. This leads to Clark Kent becoming Batman (this is spoiled by the cover art), which ends up being really interesting.

There were several of those Elseworlds stories back then, where they twisted the origin of one of the heroes. There's another where baby Kal-el lands in the Soviet Union, and one where Abin Sur's Green Lantern ring finds Bruce Wayne instead of Hal Jordan.

 

[2muchcoffeeman]

Flashpoint is a Flash story, and a good one. The decision fits his character better than it would Superman or Batman, who are more thoughtful and intelligent.

The problem with the movie wasn't basing it around Flash. It was a dumbass script and an obnoxious performance by Miller.

Agreed. The animated version of Flashpoint was much better than the Ezra Miller movie. Fortunately, Miller seems to have talked his way out of his entire acting career.

 

[outofplace]

There were several of those Elseworlds stories back then, where they twisted the origin of one of the heroes. There's another where baby Kal-el lands in the Soviet Union, and one where Abin Sur's Green Lantern ring finds Bruce Wayne instead of Hal Jordan.

Wasn't the first one more than a one-shot? Superman: Red Son?

 

[Batman]

Wasn't the first one more than a one-shot? Superman: Red Son?

Might have been a miniseries. I just remember the premise and that it was an Elseworlds story.

 

[outofplace]

Might have been a miniseries. I just remember the premise and that it was an Elseworlds story.

I looked it up. It was a miniseries. DC also made it into an animated movie.