(Contains Spoilers) Greatest TV show -- The Wire, Season 1 on HBO On Demand

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Season 2 started a little slow for me but picked up quickly after about 3 episodes.

I'm bogged down about 4 episodes into season 4. I need to get back into it.
 
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imjustagirl said:
I hated the shipyard season. I don't even remember what year it was. Hated every freaking second.

I wanted more Bodie. :)

If you want more Bodie, watch OZ.
 
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Double Down said:
People who don't like Season 2 don't deserve TVs.

I cannot imagine the ****storm that would have occurred had I been the one to make this post.

That being said, in all seriousness ...

In my opinion, and this is only my opinion, Season 2 was worth it just for the Ziggy scene in the second-to-last episode. This is only my opinion. If your opinion differs, I respect that, too. I think - and this is just my opinion - it was on par, for sheer power, with the Wallace scene in Season 1. It's just my opinion, but one of the great things about "The Wire" - and, again, just my opinion, so take it for what it's worth - is how earned those moments are.

Contrast this with, in film, in my opinion, the discussion about "Super 8" on the movie thread. In my opinion, the sentimental moment at the end was largely unearned. That's just my opinion, though. And I only bring up "Super 8" because I think - just from my point of view, you are free to disagree - that it's a good contrast of earned and unearned moments in a series or a film.
 
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LongTimeListener said:
**** Whitman said:
All the Led Zeppelin fans on the other thread say, "Screw 'The Wire.' When is 'Blossom' hitting On Demand?"

No post has ever ended well that started "I'm going to regret this," but I'm going to regret this ...

****, I say this in observance of your day yesterday, when Elliotte suggested you simmer down and you wondered why everyone always picks on you. And I refer to this post on the Beatles thread today:

**** Whitman said:
Of all the things that go on with this site, the offense that many of you take at the fact that I take a position and defend it is among the most bizarre to me.

And now here we have this analogy of liking Led Zeppelin to liking a teeny-bopper girls show, with its implication that such people are unable to comprehend something as deep as The Wire.

Whether it's this, or:

--The declaration that a vote for Michael Young, by a member of the BBWAA who clearly did all the required research, is not credible
--The belief that Zeppelin is well, well behind the Stones and Beatles and a few others "probably to most who take rock music seriously from a critical standpoint" (while in the next sentence you say you have no musical chops or background to make such an evaluation)
--The declaration that any true football observer would say Brian Urlacher is better than Mike Singletary
--That whole thing about what it says about a person's intelligence if they watch CSI or other procedurals
--I'm sure anyone else who reads this will be able to come up with his own personal tale, or maybe will just feel it's appropriate to repeat the "You're WRONG!" catch-phrase that has become associated with you

Do you see why people get bothered?

If this is the persona you want, I suppose that's one way to go. Plenty of people on here do that. But you seem to care what people think and want to relate to people on good terms -- and perhaps you don't care what I myself think, we have been down that road, but it's obvious that in the main you come here to share true discussion. This would be yet another reminder, of which there have been quite a few lately, that it isn't solely the difference of opinion that is getting you crossways with so many people.

In your illustrious posting history, two things stand out:

(1) Your rock-solid evidence that the teaching profession would not draw more talent if it paid more: Because your neighbor's boyfriend's cousin's neighbor's stepsister taught for the love of the game. Want me to dredge up a few of those posts to see how lukewarm your tone was?
(2) Your oh-so diplomatic posts about the Jeff Pearlman Walter Payton book.

Go away.
 
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Pancamo said:
imjustagirl said:
I hated the shipyard season. I don't even remember what year it was. Hated every freaking second.

I wanted more Bodie. :)

If you want more Bodie, watch OZ.

It took a couple of seasons of "The Wire" for me to stop thinking of him as Kenny. I kind of wanted to re-watch "Oz" but I'm afraid to. It was terrifying enough the first time.
 
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Double Down said:
People who don't like Season 2 don't deserve TVs.

OK then. Glad I tried to weigh in.
 
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imjustagirl said:
Double Down said:
People who don't like Season 2 don't deserve TVs.

OK then. Glad I tried to weigh in.

You know I'm just teasing, right?
 
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No. You're pretty emotional and opinionated about The Wire.

That's fine. I'll just stick to Dexter threads. :)
 
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imjustagirl said:
I hated the shipyard season. I don't even remember what year it was. Hated every freaking second.

I wanted more Bodie. :)

Awww...

Of course you want more Bodie :)
 
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Seems like a good place to post this:

http://www.buzzfeed.com/jpmoore/the-wire-monopoly-board
 
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Funny, my kids think I'm weird because Season Two is probably my favourite one. But then I've always been a sucker for ocean containers and container yards. ;)
 
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I say this often, pretty much every single time someone disses S2 on here, but for me, the docks are what signal the show was about a much larger universe. That this was was going to be a show about economics and institutions, not cops and hoppers. Frank Sobatka is one of my favorite characters in the entire series, and there aren't many better scenes in the entire run than the one where Frank is walking out to meet The Greek and Spiros under the bridge.

Plus, Season 2 has "All Prologue" which might be my favorite episode. It has Omar testifying in the Gant trial against Byrd, Bunk trying not to puke in a trash can during a meeting with Daniels, Brianna's scene with D'Angelo where she tries to get him to play ball with Avon, Nick and Ziggy's meeting with Prop Joe ("If it wasn't Serge here, you two would be some cadaverous mutha****as"), and D'Angelo talking about The Great Gasby with Clockers author Richard Price.

Season 2 resonates that much more when the series is over. It's Shakespearean in the way that Frank is torn between what's right, what's honorable, and what matters between family or brotherhood. One of the questions The Wire wants you to ask is "In what ways would you bend your moral code in order to survive in a world where the churning combine of capitalism is always nipping at your heels?" It's easy for white suburbanites to rationalize it and say that dealing drugs represents some moral failure on the part of the inner city, but when you watch Season 2, you have to examine whether Frank, Nick and Ziggy are really that much different than people like D'Angelo, Bodie and Wallace. As Omar points out in the courtroom scene, what is the difference, really, between someone like him and Maurice Levy?

Season 1 is great because it raises the curtain and sets the stakes. But Season 2 highlights how fate often plays a greater role in our lives than free will does. That's Simon's larger point about the death and decay of an American city. The Harbor becomes a playground for the rich, a grain pier that was promised never arrives, the middle class disappears and men are forced to live outside the law in order to scrape out some form of survival. It's disarming at first because, after connecting with an entire cast of characters on the streets in S1, we're forced to push the restart button and do it all over again. And Ziggy's so annoying at times, it's easy to resent the presence of the dockworkers and just wish we could get back to the streets. But by the end of the season, it's easier to draw a line between characters like D'Angelo and Frank. Or Bodie and Ziggy.

If Season 2 didn't resonate the first time, I encourage you to go back and give it another viewing and think about what it's really trying to say.
 
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DD - I think I love you.
 
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DD - Your thought on "the scene" with Ziggy? On par with the Season 1 Wallace scene? (I haven't gotten to the end of Season 4 yet nor watched Season 5, so no spoilers because I'm sure something horrible happens to one or more of the kids.)
 
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Double Down said:
It's easy for white suburbanites to rationalize it and say that dealing drugs represents some moral failure on the part of the inner city, but when you watch Season 2, you have to examine whether Frank, Nick and Ziggy are really that much different than people like D'Angelo, Bodie and Wallace. As Omar points out in the courtroom scene, what is the difference, really, between someone like him and Maurice Levy?

Yeah, that paradox is something I think about often. My grandfather was from rural Kentucky, and he and many of his male relatives made and sold moonshine to make ends meet in the 1940s and 50s. He talked about it with pride until the day he died (in 2008). But if I or one of my brothers or cousins had started dealing marijuana or harder drugs for similar reasons, he'd have disowned us.
 
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**** Whitman said:
DD - Your thought on "the scene" with Ziggy? On par with the Season 1 Wallace scene? (I haven't gotten to the end of Season 4 yet nor watched Season 5, so no spoilers because I'm sure something horrible happens to one or more of the kids.)

Sorry - just laughed out loud when I read that you are sitting in judgement on what is and is not a great series when you haven't even finished watching it.

So typical.

hahahahahahhahahahaha
 
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Evil ******* (aka Chris_L) said:
Bodie gets killed in season 5 BTW

This is seriously one of the biggest asshole moves in the history of this board.

**** you.
 

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