College Basketball Thread 2018

[LanceyHoward]

I don't think anyone has started this.

I don't know understand what the crime the Adidas bag men executives are guilty of of but they are certainly providing detailed records of who they paid. Besides Louisville they implicate Kansas, Arizona and North Carolina State. their payroll. Do Bill Self and Sean Miller survive this? I don't see Kevin Keats, with only a year at NC State, surviving.

 

[Jake_Taylor]

Keatts wasn't at NC State when this stuff was happening.

 

[Jake_Taylor]

And Self is fine unless more stuff comes out. The Adidas bag man/ star witness went out of his way to say Self didn't know about payments while naming just about every other name he could think of.

I don't think it's just the homer in me, but Kansas played this smart. The compliance department has been coordinating with the Feds to help make the case the universities were defrauded. The government's case is that situations like Billy Preston -- school spent hundreds of thousands investigating his eligibility but kept getting lied to -- is part of the crime.

 

[Jake from State Farm]

This is in the Penn State-Michigan State thread but can also go here

Tom Izzo tells ESPN to **** off, basically

Tom Izzo finally fires back at ESPN's report: 'There were no hidden secrets'

 

[Oggiedoggie]

Kansas has a bit of a buffer because they already have a somewhat-self-imposed de facto death penalty on their football program.

 

[User 4332]

Basketball? Where's our rings thread?

 

[Chef2]

And Self is fine unless more stuff comes out. The Adidas bag man/ star witness went out of his way to say Self didn't know about payments while naming just about every other name he could think of.

I don't think it's just the homer in me, but Kansas played this smart. The compliance department has been coordinating with the Feds to help make the case the universities were defrauded. The government's case is that situations like Billy Preston -- school spent hundreds of thousands investigating his eligibility but kept getting lied to -- is part of the crime.

I'm assuming that Self told the Adidas guy "Don't tell me anything unless I ask for it.........and I'm never going to ask for it."

 

[Jake_Taylor]

I'm assuming that Self told the Adidas guy "Don't tell me anything unless I ask for it.........and I'm never going to ask for it."

Oh yeah, right now it looks like KU got extremely lucky.

1.) As the top Adidas program, it doesn't have to ask for anything. Stuff just gets done because it's good for Adidas for KU to keep up with Nike schools Duke, Carolina, etc.

2.) Billy Preston crashing his car was a huge break because KU was able to get out in front of this stuff.

 

[Chef2]

Oh yeah, right now it looks like KU got extremely lucky.

1.) As the top Adidas program, it doesn't have to ask for anything. Stuff just gets done because it's good for Adidas for KU to keep up with Nike schools Duke, Carolina, etc.

2.) Billy Preston crashing his car was a huge break because KU was able to get out in front of this stuff.

I'm still generally curious if KU decides that all the Adidas stuff is really bad PR, not going to sign the extension with them, then flip to Nike.......
It would make sense.

 

[LanceyHoward]

Oh yeah, right now it looks like KU got extremely lucky.

1.) As the top Adidas program, it doesn't have to ask for anything. Stuff just gets done because it's good for Adidas for KU to keep up with Nike schools Duke, Carolina, etc.

2.) Billy Preston crashing his car was a huge break because KU was able to get out in front of this stuff.

Maybe Self dodges sanctions by asserting the Sgt. Schultz defense that he knows nothing but I would think the NCAA will have to put the Jayhawks on probation.

 

[Donny in his element]

Kansas has a bit of a buffer because they already have a somewhat-self-imposed de facto death penalty on their football program.

Underrated post.

 

[Jake_Taylor]

Maybe Self dodges sanctions by asseting the Sgt. Schultz defense that he knows nothing but I would think the NCAA will have to put the Jayhawks on probation.

Not saying they are actually cleaner than anyone else, but what's come out at this point doesn't add up to probation. KU held Preston out when it looked like trouble and he never played a game there. The $2,500 for online classes will probably be punished, but that is usually a player three-game suspension and pay back the money to charity kind of deal.

 

[Jake_Taylor]

Underrated post.

True.

 

[heyabbott]

This is in the Penn State-Michigan State thread but can also go here

Tom Izzo tells ESPN to **** off, basically

Tom Izzo finally fires back at ESPN's report: 'There were no hidden secrets'

ESPN to Izzo, “at least our employees who get molested by other employees are adults. “

 

[LanceyHoward]

Not saying they are actually cleaner than anyone else, but what's come out at this point doesn't add up to probation. KU held Preston out when it looked like trouble and he never played a game there. The $2,500 for online classes will probably be punished, but that is usually a player three-game suspension and pay back the money to charity kind of deal.

But what of the payments to Silvio DeSouza. Maybe they can dodge the Preston bullet but if two guys got paid I think the hammer must drop.

 

[Jake from State Farm]

ESPN to Izzo, “at least our employees who get molested by other employees are adults. “

Izzo's main ***** was the story that displayed him and Dantonio with Nassar
'Never met the guy," Izzo said.

 

[Jake_Taylor]

But what of the payments to Silvio DeSouza. Maybe they can dodge the Preston bullet but if two guys got paid I think the hammer must drop.

That's what I was talking about with the $2,500. The witness specifically said he'd never talked to KU coaches about payments (likely coached by the prosecutor to say that). De Sousa's guardian was allegedly offered $60k by a Maryland booster. De Sousa himself might have an eligibility issue, but it doesn't look like major issue for the program at this point.

Again not that he's truly cleaner than anyone else, but the testimony yesterday went about as well as it possibly could have for Bill Self.

 

[Sam Mills 51]

I don't think anyone has started this.

I don't know understand what the crime the Adidas bag men executives are guilty of of but they are certainly providing detailed records of who they paid. Besides Louisville they implicate Kansas, Arizona and North Carolina State. their payroll. Do Bill Self and Sean Miller survive this? I don't see Kevin Keats, with only a year at NC State, surviving.

Please get your facts straight. I see Jake already said something.

N.C. State and Adidas are fair game. Kevin Keatts, until we see a lot more evidence to the contrary, has zero to do with this.

The funny/sad part ... Dennis Smith Jr. signed with Kevin Plank's bunch and left threestripes high and dry. As a result, Debbie Yow is left holding the bag. Orlando Early's hands are filthy, and who knows what Mark Gottfried knew - or didn't.

Good luck, Cal State-Northridge ...

 

[Jake_Taylor]

Kevin has been involved in big-time recruiting, one way or another, for a long time and worked his way up as a Pitino assistant. Self learned from Larry Brown and Eddie Sutton.

They likely haven't been innocent little lambs through the years, but they aren't the ones upset over what has come out of this trial so far.

 

[Sam Mills 51]

Yup ... Kevin Keatts was under Rick Pitino and, while that's concerning, it shouldn't be an automatic indictment. Not until a misstep is chronicled.

Larry Brown shouldn't have even been coaching at the college level ... he was more fit for the NBA. Ask folks in Lexington about Eddie Sutton. Ask just about anyone about Rick Pitino.

At this point, it can be hoped that Keatts learned what to do. More importantly, what NOT to do.