Clearly, Isiah has photos of Little Jimmy Dolan committing unspeakable acts.

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Walsh, or any other competent basketball management person, takes the job only under the condition, "the day I walk in the door, Isiah walks out."
 
Starman said:
Walsh, or any other competent basketball management person, takes the job only under the condition, "the day I walk in the door, Isiah walks out."

No competent basketball management person should take that job unless Jimmy Dolan, so incompetent he makes Dubya look like he earned his lot in life, is sent to the Cablevision mailroom. Why would anyone demean themselves to work in an organization in which the CEO sends 20something weasels to record every single word you utter?
 
BYH said:
Why would anyone demean themselves to work in an organization in which the CEO sends 20something weasels to record every single word you utter?

One word: Ego.

If you're an NBA lifer like Donnie Walsh and you're given the chance to raise one of the league's flagship franchises from the dead, you take the job because you're sure you're the guy to get it done.
 
Armchair_QB said:
BYH said:
Why would anyone demean themselves to work in an organization in which the CEO sends 20something weasels to record every single word you utter?

One word: Ego.

If you're an NBA lifer like Donnie Walsh and you're given the chance to raise one of the league's flagship franchises from the dead, you take the job because you're sure you're the guy to get it done.

But doesn't even the biggest egomaniac recognize the chances of raising said flagship franchise are minimal with Jimmy Dolan lording over him? Dolan's not bright enough nor modest enough to say hey, here you go, have three years at it without me doing anything but signing off on your decisions.

It was Dolan who signed an already-declining Allan Houston to a max deal b/c he liked him. He likes busting the cap b/c he thinks it shows the fans he cares and that the Knicks are trying. It was Dolan who wanted Van Gundy or Grunfeld fired b/c they were arguing in the press in 1999. Dolan who values Isiah's stepford son persona and willingness to suck up more than the won-loss record.

I just see no way the Knicks get out of this morass unless Stern gets Dolan out of office. It was one thing for the Clippers to be a running joke for 20-odd years. But Stern has to see the Knicks fail, on a nightly basis, right in front of him. He has to do something. Has to.
 
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Why, because they're the NEW YORK Knicks? If they want to **** themselves over seven ways to Sunday 82 times a year, while other more competent teams go about winning, that's their bad. The fans don't have to show up.
 
BYH said:
Armchair_QB said:
BYH said:
Why would anyone demean themselves to work in an organization in which the CEO sends 20something weasels to record every single word you utter?

One word: Ego.

If you're an NBA lifer like Donnie Walsh and you're given the chance to raise one of the league's flagship franchises from the dead, you take the job because you're sure you're the guy to get it done.

But doesn't even the biggest egomaniac recognize the chances of raising said flagship franchise are minimal with Jimmy Dolan lording over him?

I never thought I'd see Bill Parcells working for Jerry Jones. But it happened. Execs at that level think they're going to be the guy to get it done. If they don't think that they don't last long in that profession.
 
I agree re: Bill and Jones, but Jones, as much as he's in love with himself, seemed to realize, at least when Bill was coaching, that his best chance to win was to stay (mostly) out of the way. that's a view from afar, so I could be wrong.

Plus, Jones is a brilliant businessman. As much of a dope as he seems to be, I can understand why he'd think his way is the only way. All Dolan's ever done right is swim upstream nine months before he popped out.
 
Norman Stansfield said:
BYH said:
All Dolan's ever done right is swim upstream nine months before he popped out.

The guy's like, a bazillionaire, even if he is an idiot.

I think he's done at least a few other things right.

You'd be surprised. His dad allows him to run the Knicks because he won't let him anywhere near the day-to-day operations of Cablevision, which is what really brings the bread home over there. **** up the Knicks and it's still hugely profitable. **** up Cablevision, though...
 
BYH said:
Norman Stansfield said:
BYH said:
All Dolan's ever done right is swim upstream nine months before he popped out.

The guy's like, a bazillionaire, even if he is an idiot.

I think he's done at least a few other things right.

You'd be surprised. His dad allows him to run the Knicks because he won't let him anywhere near the day-to-day operations of Cablevision, which is what really brings the bread home over there. **** up the Knicks and it's still hugely profitable. **** up Cablevision, though...

Ah. I wasn't aware he was leeching off his old man.

I stand corrected.

He IS a ****tard then.
 
All right, people. Here is what is about to happen with the once great New York Knicks organization:

Cable Boy (aka Jim Dolan) -- with a nudge from Stern -- has finally realized he is a laughingstock. That's why he is bringing in Donnie Walsh and giving him control over EVERYTHING.
At the same time, he doesn't want to pay off Isiah to go away like he paid off Larry Brown, so he must find some menial role (other than harrassing employees) within the organization to force Isiah to show up to earn his millions.
I think Stern's role in Walsh running the Knicks is telling Cable Boy "get the organization in shape or I'll force your old man to get you out of my league."

In three years, with Walsh given free rein, the Knicks are competitive again.
 
Why would Stern force Dolan out of the league? Hell, HOW would he do that? Donald Sterling made a mockery of the Clippers for decades and he's still in the league. Stern's job isn't to ensure teams are competitive and run well. He's in charge of making sure the league does well. It's not his fault Dolan is a douche.
 
You really think lil' Jimmy can keep his hands out of the cookie jar though?

And will he just spend his days making sure his draconian media edicts are followed, thereby feeding the paranoia that makes working for Cablevision a life-ruining job?
 
Flying Headbutt said:
Stern's job isn't to ensure teams are competitive and run well. He's in charge of making sure the league does well.

But the Knicks management and league success are kinda related, aren't they? The Knicks obviously aren't a normal franchise, they represent by far the league's largest media and population market and, in Stern's ideal world, would be its flagship franchise.

I think spnited's probably right, Stern had more than a little to do with this. He knows his league does better when the Knicks and LA are doing well, and the mismanaged horror show in NY in recent years had to be pushing him to his limit. He finally stepped in.
 
The Knicks are no more significant than any of the other franchises in the league. Media-wise it's a different story. But in terms of business, Stern meddling only means that the league is not on the up and up (ummm, you know what I mean) and that the league needs to stack the deck to favor some teams more than others.
 
Flying Headbutt said:
The Knicks are no more significant than any of the other franchises in the league.

Well that's a nice sentiment and no doubt what Stern woud say if you asked him. But if you really think the folks in the league office have the same concern for New York's success as they do for, say Memphis or Minnesota, then you sound a bit naive to me.
 
Stoney said:
Flying Headbutt said:
The Knicks are no more significant than any of the other franchises in the league.

Well that's a nice sentiment and no doubt what Stern woud say if you asked him. But if you really think the folks in the league office have the same concern for New York's success as they do for, say Memphis or Minnesota, then you sound a bit naive to me.

I have to agree with Stoney on this one. Stern obviously doesn't care about the Sonics leaving Seattle, or the Hornets bailing on Charlotte. Think he'd ever allow the Knicks to consider a move?
 

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