baseball scoring question

[bigpern23]

Team A had runners at first and third with one out. Runner on first tries to steal second, but is caught in a rundown when the pitcher picks him off. As Runner A retreats to first, Runner B breaks for home. Second baseman for Team B throws home and cuts down Runner B at the plate as Runner A advances to second base.

Does this go down as a stolen base for Runner A? Defensive indifference?

 

[Point of Order]

I'm thinking it's a straight stolen base for Runner A and a caught stealing for Runner B with an assist from the second baseman, but will defer to the more knowledgable scorers. It's certainly not DI.

 

[fishwrapper]

It is a plain ol stolen base.
Well, with a 2-6-2 CS of Runner B.

 

[ColbertNation]

Point is right. SB for Runner A and CS for Runner B. But I believe you have to include the whole pickoff sequence in the CS (i.e. 1-3-6-4-2, or whatever it was).

 

[bigpern23]

That's what I thought, but wanted to be sure. Didn't want to inflate the team's SB numbers more than they already were (had seven stolen bases, one defensive indifference and the CS).

One other one for you folks: Runners on first and third, no outs, guy drops down a sac bunt. Catcher tries to get runner at third, all runners are safe. It still goes down as a sacrifice and not a fielder's choice, correct?

 

[spnited]

Sac/FC ... sacrifice, no official at-bat ... safe at first on fielder's choice.

 

[micropolitan guy]

I'm not absolutely 100 percent certain but in the case of a double steal no stolen base is awarded if the lead runner is retired.

 

[hankschu]

Actually, the runner out at home is charged with a caught stealing and the other runner reaches second on a fielder's choice.

There can be no stolen base when another runner is caught stealing.

 

[Point of Order]

Good point! I think you guys are right.

 

[zagoshe]

OK -- Here is one I had to deal with yesterday -- Team A has a runner on second.

Pitcher of Team B throws pick off attempt to shortstop covering the base -- the ball is wild but it bounced off the shortstops leg and rolled to the second baseman.

Runner apparently didn't really see the ball and jumped up and broke for third but was thrown out by second baseman.

Is there an error on the pitcher for the bad throw or no error because an out was made?

 

[Point of Order]

CS 1-6-4-5

 

[spnited]

no advance = no error

 

[zagoshe]

Thanks -- That is very helpful.

So it is officially a caught stealing with no error.

I don't cover baseball enough to know the intricacies of scoring it.

Is that a general rule of thumb though -- no advance = no error?

 

[spnited]

Pretty much zag...
the one major exception is a dropped foul pop...that usually is an error for prolonging the at-bat regardless of whether the batter eventually reaches base.

 

[ColbertNation]

I was once told that a passed ball is an error -- on the catcher, of course -- if a runner scores. Thoughts?

 

[hankschu]

A passed ball is never charged as an error, but if the inning has ended and the runner would not have scored without the passed ball, the run is unearned as if it were an error.

 

[ColbertNation]

Gotcha.

 

[zagoshe]

Pretty much zag...
the one major exception is a dropped foul pop...that usually is an error for prolonging the at-bat regardless of whether the batter eventually reaches base.

Wow, that is great data. I thought you couldn't score an error on that particular play until the at-bat was over and it was based on whether he reached the base or not.

This is very helpful, thanks.

 

[Cape_Fear]

OK -- Here is one I had to deal with yesterday -- Team A has a runner on second.

Pitcher of Team B throws pick off attempt to shortstop covering the base -- the ball is wild but it bounced off the shortstops leg and rolled to the second baseman.

Runner apparently didn't really see the ball and jumped up and broke for third but was thrown out by second baseman.

Is there an error on the pitcher for the bad throw or no error because an out was made?

Wouldn't it be CS 4-5 with the pitcher and shortstop not being involved? I think it would fall under being a seperate play.

I think it's like the throw from the outfielder gets past the catcher at the plate. The runner on second sees the ball gets by but gets thrown out third by the pitcher backing up the play. You don't score that 7 (or 8 or 9)-1-5. It's just 1-5.

 

[donaugust]

You don't score that 7 (or 8 or 9)-1-5. It's just 1-5.

Pretty sure you do, actually.