Another steroid case for the hypocritical and fradulent Mets

[BYH]

ANOTHER minor leaguer suspended for steroid use. Except this kid's a two-time offender...some dope named Jorge Reyes.

That's at least the fourth time a Met minor leaguer has been nailed for roiding. And of course there's Guillermo Mota...and this hilarious quote from the Mets after the Kirk Radomski **** hit the fan:

"The conduct in question is diametrically opposed to the values and standards of the Mets organization and our owners. We are and always have been adamantly opposed to the use of performance-enhancing drugs and continue to support Major League Baseball's efforts to eradicate any such use in our game."

Really? You're so opposed to it you rewarded Mota a two-year deal after he tested positive...and so opposed to it YOUR prospects keep getting caught with the good stuff. That's some way to voice your opposition.

Most reprehensible organization in pro sports. It's not even close.

 

[Flying Headbutt]

Hasn't it seemed like most of those players who get caught now a days are Latin? Not all of them, but a majority? Or do I just not pay enough attention?

 

[buckweaver]

Hasn't it seemed like most of those players who get caught now a days are Latin? Not all of them, but a majority? Or do I just not pay enough attention?

A majority, certainly.

Many steroids that are banned by the FDA are not illegal in the Dominican Republic, among other places. So what is perfectly legal and accepted for some Latinos gets them in trouble once they get to the States.

That's (one) among the many problems in baseball's War on Steroids.

On a related note, I learned today that THG (or "the cream") was not even banned by the FDA until <a href="http://www.fda.gov/bbs/topics/NEWS/2003/NEW00967.html">October 2003</a>. So the argument that Bonds (or whoever) was breaking federal law even if he wasn't breaking baseball law might have a few holes in it, as well.

 

[Eagleboy]

That might tie in to what David Ortiz said about Barry Bonds' steroid use. Pretty much, Ortiz said that he had to give up drinking protein shakes and stuff from the Dominican because he wasn't ever sure what was in it and didn't want to fail a test.

It's probably not possible for these prospects to get some of their home-grown juice into the United States, but maybe they took it during the offseason and the stuff that they took just before leaving is still showing up on tests. If it dies down during the next couple of months, then that could be the reason.

You'd still think, though, that they'd take more care to check what's in their shakes.

 

[creamora]

buckweaver says, "I learned today that THG (or "the cream") was not even banned by the FDA until October 2003."

First of all, THG was called "the clear" not "the cream." I can understand how you might have become confused. Where did you learn that bit misinformation? The Game of Shadows book?

You are correct about the fact that THG was not banned until October 2003.

 

[BYH]

Buckdub, you might have a small penis, but it's sure as **** not from PED abuse.

 

[Hammer Pants]

 

[The Big Ragu]

On a related note, I learned today that THG (or "the cream") was not even banned by the FDA until <a href="http://www.fda.gov/bbs/topics/NEWS/2003/NEW00967.html">October 2003</a>. So the argument that Bonds (or whoever) was breaking federal law even if he wasn't breaking baseball law might have a few holes in it, as well.

That is not true. The FDA didn't know THG existed until 2003 when Trevor Graham mailed a syringe that had some residue to the anti-doping agency. But the FDA doesn't have to know about--and specifically warn the public about (i.e. that press release)--a drug for it to be illegal. Federal law made trafficking in steroids illegal in 1990 or 1991 (I believe)--whether it is a known steroid or a designer steroid that no one knows about yet, which is what THG was.

Whether the FDA knew THG existed or not, it was absolutely illegal to manufacture and market a designer steroid without FDA approval (which requires medical trials and a medical reason for its usage in order to get FDA clearance)--which BALCO did not have. You can go to the U.S. Patent office and literally find thousands of abandoned patents for potential designer steroids that the drug companies were working on in the 1950s. Someone with the right chemistry background might be able to work with one of those compounds and create a new designer steroid that no one has ever before created. Because it is a new compound that no one knows about, the FDA can't be expected to have specifically banned it. That isn't how the FDA works. It's the other way around. If you have a drug you wish to market, it's up to you to get FDA approval, not for the FDA to find you already in business and then deem what you are doing illegal.

 

[outofplace]

On a related note, I learned today that THG (or "the cream") was not even banned by the FDA until <a href="http://www.fda.gov/bbs/topics/NEWS/2003/NEW00967.html">October 2003</a>. So the argument that Bonds (or whoever) was breaking federal law even if he wasn't breaking baseball law might have a few holes in it, as well.

That is not true. The FDA didn't know THG existed until 2003 when Trevor Graham mailed a syringe that had some residue to the anti-doping agency. But the FDA doesn't have to know about--and specifically warn the public about (i.e. that press release)--a drug for it to be illegal. Federal law made trafficking in steroids illegal in 1990 or 1991 (I believe)--whether it is a known steroid or a designer steroid that no one knows about yet, which is what THG was.

Whether the FDA knew THG existed or not, it was absolutely illegal to manufacture and market a designer steroid without FDA approval (which requires medical trials and a medical reason for its usage in order to get FDA clearance)--which BALCO did not have. You can go to the U.S. Patent office and literally find thousands of abandoned patents for potential designer steroids that the drug companies were working on in the 1950s. Someone with the right chemistry background might be able to work with one of those compounds and create a new designer steroid that no one has ever before created. Because it is a new compound that no one knows about, the FDA can't be expected to have specifically banned it. That isn't how the FDA works. It's the other way around. If you have a drug you wish to market, it's up to you to get FDA approval, not for the FDA to find you already in business and then deem what you are doing illegal.

There you go letting the facts get in the way again.

 

[creamora]

Ragu,

You are absolutely clueless about THG and the FDA. Nobody. I repeat, nobody in the case was charged with anything connected with THG. Patrick Arnold was charged with the manufacture of Norbolethone, which had previous research showing showing that it had an effect upon protein synthesis and that it promotes muscle growth. There was absolutely no science available at the time regarding THG.

 

[Hammer Pants]

Ragu,

You are absolutely clueless about THG and the FDA. Nobody. I repeat, nobody in the case was charged with anything connected with THG. Patrick Arnold was charged with the manufacture of Norbolethone, which had previous research showing showing that it had an effect upon protein synthesis and that it promotes muscle growth. There was absolutely no science available at the time regarding THG.

 

[Moland Spring]

I love how Ortiz who clearly is not on any kind of performance-enhancer whatsoever is the go-to voice on Bonds' use. It's not like Ortiz suddenly resurrected his career midway though it, and it's not like that resurrection was associated with tremendous muscle and weight gain.
Oh wait...

 

[BYH]

Paging BYH ... :D

BC-BBN--Mets-Buzz Cuts,0311
Clipper time and team bonding: Mets get haircuts
By JANIE McCAULEY
AP Sports Writer
SAN FRANCISCO (AP)— There was a big buzz going on
in the Mets’ clubhouse Tuesday.<QA>
As in Carlos Beltran cutting hair for some good ol’
fashioned team bonding.<QA>
“I don’t think it was any one guy’s idea,” third baseman
David Wright said, showing off his new extra-short ‘do.
“Just as a team, we thought about it, got clippers and
started doing it. We’re trying to get everyone to do
it.”<QA>
And almost everybody did, save for shortstop Jose Reyes,
relievers Aaron Heilman and Aaron Sele, and pitching coach
Rick Peterson. Manager Willie Randolph closely monitored
the entire operation, his hair already trimmed close to the
head.<QA>

<snip>

Tom Glavine got a special reprieve simply because he was
pitching, though the left-hander said he was in no way
against doing something silly in order to bring players
closer.<QA>
“It’s not part of my pregame ritual,” he said.<QA>
Even team spokesman Jay Horwitz took part.<QA>
A freshly shorn Shawn Green, the Mets’ right fielder,
walked out for batting practice sporting a stunned look —
his dark curly locks completely gone.
AP-WS-05-08-07 2217EDT

For the love of ****. Don't you need to have hair to get it cut?

What a pathetic piece of ****. The players don't like you. They don't respect you. They laugh at you to your face. Imagine being 62 and trying to cozy up to people who wouldn't **** on you if you were on fire.

For crying out ****ing loud.

In unrelated news, the 2003 Boston Red Sox called. they want their schtick back.

 

[spnited]

they showed bald jay on SNY tonight ... frightening

 

[jimmymcd]

Ragu,

You are absolutely clueless about THG and the FDA. Nobody. I repeat, nobody in the case was charged with anything connected with THG. Patrick Arnold was charged with the manufacture of Norbolethone, which had previous research showing showing that it had an effect upon protein synthesis and that it promotes muscle growth. There was absolutely no science available at the time regarding THG.

http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/can/press/2006/2006_08_04_arnold_sentencing%20press.htm

 

[Herbert Anchovy]

Did Jay have mustard on his tie?

 

[Smasher_Sloan]

There ain't <i>nothing</i> that brings out the best in BYH like Mets **** with a side of Jay!

 

[BYH]

Did Jay have mustard on his tie?

That or spaghetti sauce.

 

[The Big Ragu]

Ragu,

You are absolutely clueless about THG and the FDA. Nobody. I repeat, nobody in the case was charged with anything connected with THG. Patrick Arnold was charged with the manufacture of Norbolethone, which had previous research showing showing that it had an effect upon protein synthesis and that it promotes muscle growth. There was absolutely no science available at the time regarding THG.

cream, Funny how you frame your arguments. I didn't say a word about what Arnold did or what he was sentenced for. I talked specifically about the law and how FDA approval works. Are you arguing that it ISN'T illegal to distribute steroids--including designer steroids the Feds don't know about yet? Please go ahead and make that argument and tell me how clueless I am again.

I don't care if Arnold pled himself down to a jaywalking charge. It doesn't change what he ACTUALLY did--the guy developed Norbethone (or revived it) and THG and DMT and all were illegal to distribute under U.S. law. The grand jury indicted him under three conspiracy counts, including conspiring with Victor Conte to distribute THG (which WAS illegal--under US law and under FDA rules, whether the FDA knew specifically about THAT steroid). In exchange for his plea bargain, they dropped two of the conspiracy counts. It doesn't mean he didn't develop THG or that developing a designer steroid was legal or distributing it was legal. None of those things are legal, as much as a bunch of drug dealers wish they were.

 

[Fenian_Bastard]

Ragu --
Judgin by the results, the Feds case on BALCO really was kind of weak, given the attention it's garnered.