Another Milestone Reached In Iraq

[Fenian_Bastard]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070718/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_al_qaida

Leave aside that we've already captured about 9000 "top-level" AQ guys. We get this guy two weeks ago and right now, just as the WH has trotted out it's latest justification for it's asshattery, this guy tells us that, yes, ever yone of the tcurrent WH talking points are right all along.
I'm sorry, but bull****.

 

[hondo]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070718/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_al_qaida

Leave aside that we've already captured about 9000 "top-level" AQ guys. We get this guy two weeks ago and right now, just as the WH has trotted out it's latest justification for it's asshattery, this guy tells us that, yes, ever yone of the tcurrent WH talking points are right all along.
I'm sorry, but bull****.

To you, it is.

 

[jgmacg]

Jesus wants us to find just five more mid-level Baathist apparatchiks. Maybe the Five of Clubs was Saddam's sous-chef!

 

[Guy_Incognito]

Didn't I hear a soundbite of Hillary saying something to the effect of "Mission Accomplished" yesterday?

 

[alleyallen]

Didn't I hear a soundbite of Hillary saying something to the effect of "Mission Accomplished" yesterday?

If you did, please provide link/source, etc.

 

[Guy_Incognito]

Didn't I hear a soundbite of Hillary saying something to the effect of "Mission Accomplished" yesterday?

If you did, please provide link/source, etc.

Can you find the text of her 4 AM speech? It's there.

 

[Fenian_Bastard]

What she said was that the military has done all it can over there and that it's time to get them out of the middle of a civil war and let the Iraqis solve their own problems. It's not, ah, quite the same as our boy's moment in his flightsuit.

 

[alleyallen]

Didn't I hear a soundbite of Hillary saying something to the effect of "Mission Accomplished" yesterday?

If you did, please provide link/source, etc.

Can you find the text of her 4 AM speech? It's there.

You mentioned it. Figured you'd be able to link it.

 

[JR]

So, what colour is the terror alert now? It must be down to blue by now.

 

[Omar_dont_scare]

So, what colour is the terror alert now? It must be down to blue by now.

Now now, if it drops below yellow, the powers that be couldn't use their Culture of Fear to keep all the sheep in line.

 

[Guy_Incognito]

Didn't I hear a soundbite of Hillary saying something to the effect of "Mission Accomplished" yesterday?

If you did, please provide link/source, etc.

Can you find the text of her 4 AM speech? It's there.

You mentioned it. Figured you'd be able to link it.

I heard it on the radio, thus my reference to a soundbite.

 

[Guy_Incognito]

What she said was that the military has done all it can over there and that it's time to get them out of the middle of a civil war and let the Iraqis solve their own problems. It's not, ah, quite the same as our boy's moment in his flightsuit.

It was more than that. Can you find the quote?

 

[Hed bust]

So, what colour is the terror alert now? It must be down to blue by now.

However we do it, whether it's by fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan or fighting somewhere else as we might wind up doing in Africa, we need to address the issue of these Muslim-fanatic terrorists.
These fanatics must be dealt with on some turf other than our own.
When they do the **** on our own turf, then it's gotten too late.
Recognize why you live with the freedoms that you do.
Recognize and acknowledge that it's not possible without sacrifices by other people.
Do I and most of the people I know wish the wars were over? Yes.
Trouble is, these wars or something similar to them seem to be necessary at the moment.

 

[Boomer7]

So, what colour is the terror alert now? It must be down to blue by now.

However we do it, whether it's by fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan or fighting somewhere else as we might wind up doing in Africa, we need to address the issue of these Muslim-fanatic terrorists.
These fanatics must be dealt with on some turf other than our own.
When they do the **** on our own turf, then it's gotten too late.
Recognize why you live with the freedoms that you do.
Recognize and acknowledge that it's not possible without sacrifices by other people.
Do I and most of the people I know wish the wars were over? Yes.
Trouble is, these wars or something similar to them seem to be necessary at the moment.

Iraq was never necessary. Afghanistan was. If you can't see the difference, you've not been paying one bit of attention the last five years.

 

[BTExpress]

However we do it, whether it's by fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan or fighting somewhere else as we might wind up doing in Africa, we need to address the issue of these Muslim-fanatic terrorists.
These fanatics must be dealt with on some turf other than our own.

"Addressing" the issue can be done in all kinds of ways that don't involve American soldiers invading and innocent citizens getting caught in the conflict.

1. Good intel.
2. Police work.
3. Cooperation between nations.
4. Border security.
5. Special Ops for special tasks.
6. Talking to your enemies (Syria, Iran, etc.) instead of just lumping them in with all the other bad guys.
7. Not helping evil people such as Osama bin Laden and Saddam attain power, which has come back to bite us in the butt 10,000-fold worse than had we just left matters alone a generation ago.

THAT is how you combat terrorism.

The military is fine for heavy lifting, eliminating known terrorist camps and things like that. Beyond that their long-term presence tends to do more harm than good.

But the seven things I listed above aren't sexy. And when someone suggests that in lieu of military action, they are accused by this administration (and its supporters) of "not caring" about stopping terrorism.

 

[Hed bust]

The first four you list always seem to involve some element of corruption.
I hate that, but it's true most always.
They are all four good strategies, but we never seem to get any of them in a pristine, genuine sense.

 

[alleyallen]

Hed, I can appreciate your sentiments, but the military as it is simply is not equipped to work long term as an occupying force, especially in an area where our occupation engenders more unrest and violence. Would there be unrest and violence without us there? Certainly, but it's ratcheted up by our presence.

And never let us forget, Afghanistan was supposed to be our focus, not Iraq.

As a veteran, I feel we should always consider military force as the final option. In Iraq, it was touted from day 1 as the only option, despite claims to the contrary of diplomatic efforts.

 

[BTExpress]

They are all four good strategies, but we never seem to get any of them in a pristine, genuine sense.

And the same could be said for military action, where the "fog" is often at its thickest.

Pat Tillman.
Abu-Grahib.
Haditha.
And so on.