AJ-C traveling with Thrashers on team plane?

[adamjames]

In the latest sign of the demise of my childhood paper, I hear they've cut a deal to travel with the team at a reduced rate. If true — I have it from a friend of one of the 7 or so people left in their sports department — that's pretty close to the line, no?

Anyone seen this section lately? It's as though they're not even trying. A recent edition had three wire stories on the sports front, including GEORGIA basketball. It was a gamer from Knoxville. I know Georgia is no hoops heavyweight but it is Georgia. They travel with the Thrashers but not the Dawgs? Knoxville is a drive. Can't pony up for mileage, AJ-C?

I know they've lost a ton of talent — including the best hockey writer in the biz, Craig Custance, to The Sporting News, awhile back — but it's gotten to the why-even-publish point IMO. Is there another sports section that's fallen so hard so fast?

 

[Boom_70]

Forgive me but who are the Thrashers? I'm drawing a blank.

 

[Ace]

One the one hand, you complain about a wire story on the sport front. On the other hand you complain about them traveling with the team.

If you want to make a case about it being a conflict or too cozy of an arrangement, OK.

But it's funny, the AJ-C used to cover everything in the South. I used to be amazed at their Sunday sections back in the day.

 

[Baron Scicluna]

Didn't baseball teams used to pay for sportswriters' train tickets back in the old days?

 

[Mediator]

I'm afraid it would screw with deadlines, because often a team hits the airport before you've hit send. Do you finish your story on the plane? It'll be later since you've had to pack up right after getting quotes.

If you pay the team for a seat, albeit at a cheaper rate than a traditional ticket, does that make it OK?

 

[MileHigh]

In the latest sign of the demise of my childhood paper, I hear they've cut a deal to travel with the team at a reduced rate. If true — I have it from a friend of one of the 7 or so people left in their sports department — that's pretty close to the line, no?

Anyone seen this section lately? It's as though they're not even trying. A recent edition had three wire stories on the sports front, including GEORGIA basketball. It was a gamer from Knoxville. I know Georgia is no hoops heavyweight but it is Georgia. They travel with the Thrashers but not the Dawgs? Knoxville is a drive. Can't pony up for mileage, AJ-C?

I know they've lost a ton of talent — including the best hockey writer in the biz, Craig Custance, to The Sporting News, awhile back — but it's gotten to the why-even-publish point IMO. <b>Is there another sports section that's fallen so hard so fast?</b>

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Seattle Post-Intelligencer

 

[writingump]

I read last week that their Hawks beat writer made their West Coast swing on the team plane. Apparently, the team wanted the coverage bad enough that they worked something out with the AJ-C.

 

[93Devil]

I want to say that 20-30 years ago, this was not so uncommon.

I thought some of the Pittsburgh papers traveled with the teams. I could be wrong, though.

 

[Cousin Jeffrey]

I've stayed at team hotel at team rate. Writers used to travel with teams all the time, until teams started cutting off access. I love this story from the late Ralph Wiley about traveling with the old, fun A's teams:

Charlie Finley hired a bus to take the Triple-A's from Chicago to Milwaukee, them not being worth the expense of a plane ride. To Charlie, no ballplayer was worth that expense, especially since he sold or traded off his three-time world championship club, just in time for me to miss their exploits. So we rode a bus, a city transit clunker that backfired and belched smoke into the bus halfway up I-94. I was the only baseball writer aboard, and had a clear field, We pulled over to the side of the road; the Chief, a starting pitcher named John Henry Johnson, got ill, either from the bus fumes or the loss he took in the first game of the doubleheader. Trader Jack McKeon was managing. Said I couldn't write about it. Of course, this convinced me to do so. Piece ran on sports Page 1, with kicker:

"Perilous Travels With Charlie"

Later, the bus company called the paper to complain about me; Charlie Finley called my boss Bob Valli in the sports department to complain about me, Trader Jack sat down with Mitch, Chief and a couple of other players to complain about me. That was when I learned when they complain about you, you've done good.

Reggala complimented me, when the Yanks came to town. "Hey," said the slugger. "Mitch says you're OK. Funny guy. You ever need anything, you call me." Then Time stood still as Reg hit Three In One Night against the Dodgers in the World Series.

I was pretty much hooked after that. What you don't want to deal with is a perennially .500 club. The A's weren't that. They were either good, very good, great, or absolutely rock-bottom terrible.

Good stories, either way.

 

[times38]

the smallish school where I attended college which had just made the jump to FBS football allowed the three or so papers that covered them to ride on the team plane with them to their many road trips. pretty sure they didn't pay.

 

[Ace]

I've stayed at team hotel at team rate. Writers used to travel with teams all the time, until teams started cutting off access. I love this story from the late Ralph Wiley about traveling with the old, fun A's teams:

I used to cover a Division I basketball team of marginal interest to the paper, so to help sell the trips I would get the team's room rates at their nice hotels, but I wouldn't go through the team.

I would find out from a team manager where they were staying and would call myself and ask for their rate.

 

[lone star scribe]

I have no problem with the AJ-C or any paper traveling with the team at a reduced rate. It's a sign of the economic times. Mark Cuban has even gone so far as to posit that pro teams should underwrite locals' travel to ensure they are on the scene, because it helps sell tickets at home. Can't say I disagree. It's in the teams' best interests that we are there writing stories our local readers want, not the homogenized view that the AP provides. (No denigration intended to the AP, either, my former employer. It's just tough to be all things to all clients.)

 

[Small Town Guy]

Didn't baseball teams used to pay for sportswriters' train tickets back in the old days?

Is that why Max Mercy was traveling with the Whammer when they met Roy Hobbs on the train?

 

[Ace]

Didn't baseball teams used to pay for sportswriters' train tickets back in the old days?

Is that why Max Mercy was traveling with the Whammer when they met Roy Hobbs on the train?

Seriously, bribing sports writers back in the day was the way to go.

That's how the Masters got to be the big hootenanny it became. They seduced the big shot writers traveling back from spring training.

 

[Mizzougrad96]

I don't have a problem with it as long as they're paying, even if it is a reduced rate.

It's probably a lot easier on the writer, who won't have to deal with connections and whatnot. Considering what the AJC doesn't cover anymore, I'm impressed it's even acknowledging that there is a NHL team in the city.

 

[Mizzougrad96]

Boxing and auto racing are the worst when it comes to this stuff. I know racing writers who have had the bulk of their travel covered by sponsors etc...

 

[Captain_Kirk]

I don't have a problem with it as long as they're paying, even if it is a reduced rate.

It's probably a lot easier on the writer, who won't have to deal with connections and whatnot. Considering what the AJC doesn't cover anymore, I'm impressed it's even acknowledging that there is a NHL team in the city.

I'm not sure there is an NHL team in the city.....

 

[Yodel]

the smallish school where I attended college which had just made the jump to FBS football allowed the three or so papers that covered them to ride on the team plane with them to their many road trips. pretty sure they didn't pay.

If you went to school in SE Alabama, yeah we did pay.

If that's not your school, my apologies, but the "3 papers, just moved to FBS" sounds like a school I covered for a brief time. We traveled with the team, but each paper paid the school for the cost of airfare.

 

[Dr. Van Nostrand]

I don't have a problem with it as long as they're paying, even if it is a reduced rate.

It's probably a lot easier on the writer, who won't have to deal with connections and whatnot. Considering what the AJC doesn't cover anymore, I'm impressed it's even acknowledging that there is a NHL team in the city.

When I was covering an ECHL beat a few years back, it was fairly common practice for the beat writer to hop the team bus for occasional road trips (mostly during the playoffs. (The only time I ever went on the road during the regular season was to towns within driving distance, and there were quite a few in those days).

In fact, I also used to have the person making the team's travel arrangements book an extra room and have the hotel bill it directly to me. Occasionally, we'd run into a hotel that couldn't do that, so the team paid for it and billed the paper. And, of course, everything else — meals, extras, etc. — I paid for myself.

Of course, we're talking about a low-level minor league franchise in this case, NOT an NHL franchise in a major market. So, make of THAT what you will.

 

[UPChip]

We've got a D-II women's basketball team that has a fighting chance at the Elite Eight this year and if they make it, the only way we make it is if they ask us onto their plane. They made it last year (it was in San Antonio - wrong end of the country) and we ended up relying on the school's SID.

We're small and remote and could easy bust $1,000 for a round-trip plane ticket from here alone. Sometimes in this day and age, you've just got to cry poverty.