Ainge needs Isiah like coverage
- Thread starter Big Chee
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I think the stuff with Isiah goes back beyond his Knicks days, although there seemed to be little resurection of the Eddy Curry talk last night when the Bulls got the Knicks ninth pick.
Ainge is bad, but then so are a lot of the GM's in the league. Isiah gets it worse because of the previous history, I guess, with the CBA collapse, sexual harrassment charges, etc.
Ainge is bad, but then so are a lot of the GM's in the league. Isiah gets it worse because of the previous history, I guess, with the CBA collapse, sexual harrassment charges, etc.
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Mmac
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From what I've seen, he's now getting it. I've been seeing Ainge getting ripped all over the place the last few weeks. The final results on that Telfair trade with Roy Rookie of the Year and Bassie Bust of the Year put him over the top into Isiah land on the ridiculed GM meter.
GB-Hack said:
Isiah was getting that hate prior to the harrassment charges, and the CBA collapse had little to do with him.
either way, we both know the root cause of his bashing go back to his coments made 20 years ago.
Either way, I'm far from impressed by Ainge's body of work as the Celtics GM. When your own players say they're tanking the season, that's reason enough to receive major scrutiny in the press.
Stupid move after stupid move yet he doesn't get half the flack Isiah has taken.
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Yes, but it essentially was a 3 way trade, with Foye then swapped for Roy. The Celts could've just swapped Foye for Roy, but didn't because Ainge wanted Telfair. So Chee's right, they essentially gave up the Rookie of the Year for Telfair.Pancamo said:
Big Chee said:
Yeah, but the collapse happened with him at the helm. Whether there was any way to stop it doesn't matter. And when other things happen, for example the SH suit being brought, all the other stuff gets brought up again. Its the same with when another Bengal gets arrested, or Mike Irvin gets busted with a pipe in his car. All the previous stuff get re-aired.
As far as Ainge is concerned, I don't think anyone's nominating him for Exec of the year any time soon. I don't think anyone's impressed. He came in, made a bunch of moves, resigned a bad coach, didn't get lucky in the lottery and it's still broken. He'll be lucky to have a job this time next year.
Mmac said:
exactly. He's now getting ripped. But to the degree that Isiah does? Isiah was mentioned in the New Republic for christ sake. And if you have two guys as ignorant as Mike & Mike are the NBA refer to Isiah as a bad GM, there's no way Ainge has received that type of hate.
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Mmac
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That's bull****, Thomas gets bashed because of a ridiculous succession of patently dumb moves, and because he's in New York. Chee, you seem like a pretty bright guy, but I don't know why you're so intent on trying to spin everything into a racism issue.Big Chee said:
Mmac said:
Seeing KG's career in Minny, he's far from alone. Seeing Isiahs mentioned in the New Republic shows how far reaching the anti-Isiah coverage has mushroomed.
A very selective memory.
And lets get something straight, the term racism is something I rarely use because its serious in nature.
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Fenian_Bastard
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Isiah Thomas has been a primo POS since he left Indiana.
He is a business incompetent who bankrupted a LEAGUE.
Sorry, Danny's just a really bad GM.
He is a business incompetent who bankrupted a LEAGUE.
Sorry, Danny's just a really bad GM.
sportschick
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Fenian_Bastard said:
Isiah was a POS coach in Indiana. That much talent and yet they did jack ****. He's been ****ty at everything involving basketball except playing. I don't know why people keep hiring him.
sportschick said:
Let us not forget Isiah's brief interlude as an announcer, which gave us such gems as:
"That's Shaq's 'gangsta ball', where he just takes a basket."
"He's in a thang. When someone in my neighborhood got hot, we'd say 'He's in a thang'."
He once pronounced "Kukoc" as "Kuchoates"
I loved Isiah as a player, but suggesting that he's been unfairly treated for his post-playing career is ludicrous. The guy's got the most phenomenal knack (outside of George W) for landed great jobs he's unqualified for, failing badly, yet then promptly landing a better gig anyways. Nobody falls upward like Isiah.
To recap Zeke's post playing career: He first becomes Toronto's GM despite having no front office experience. After overseeing a few horrible Raptor teams and becoming terribly unpopular in Toronto, he leaves to run the CBA. After a couple years under Isiah's guidance, a league which had been around for nearly 40 years went bankrupt and was forced to close its doors. No problem, Isiah's then offered the lead color job on NBC's NBA broadcasts despite having no broadcasting experience. After a year of getting roundly panned for being a terrible announcer, he becomes the head coach of an Indiana Pacer team that had just been in the NBA finals despite having no coaching experience. After three mediocre Pacer seasons (sandwiched between 2 outstanding seasons the year before and after Isiah's term) he is fired. Not to worry, for he is promptly named GM of the New York Knicks, franchise for the league's largest and most important market.
He then pulls off a dumbfounding string of moronic trades and signings looking for a quick fix in a manner indicating that he doesn't have the slightest clue how the league's salary cap rules work or how to clear space for future improvement. In essence, he takes the strategy of mortgaging the future to win now by bringing in a bunch of aging overpaid guys others were desperate to unload (also doesn't seem to realize that stocking half your roster with overpaid shoot first point guards who all play the same way is not great for team chemistry). So he doesn't even accomplish the win now part, but he does manage an exceedingly rare double play by putting together a team with both the highest payroll and worst record. And, to top off this masterpiece, he gets the franchise in legal trouble as the focus of a sexual harassment lawsuit. I realize things weren't as bad this year (and he's had a couple nice draft picks) but those 1st 3 years are legendary bad GM lore.
But, if his career pattern holds true, he's well situated to replace David Stern right after the Knicks fire him.
To recap Zeke's post playing career: He first becomes Toronto's GM despite having no front office experience. After overseeing a few horrible Raptor teams and becoming terribly unpopular in Toronto, he leaves to run the CBA. After a couple years under Isiah's guidance, a league which had been around for nearly 40 years went bankrupt and was forced to close its doors. No problem, Isiah's then offered the lead color job on NBC's NBA broadcasts despite having no broadcasting experience. After a year of getting roundly panned for being a terrible announcer, he becomes the head coach of an Indiana Pacer team that had just been in the NBA finals despite having no coaching experience. After three mediocre Pacer seasons (sandwiched between 2 outstanding seasons the year before and after Isiah's term) he is fired. Not to worry, for he is promptly named GM of the New York Knicks, franchise for the league's largest and most important market.
He then pulls off a dumbfounding string of moronic trades and signings looking for a quick fix in a manner indicating that he doesn't have the slightest clue how the league's salary cap rules work or how to clear space for future improvement. In essence, he takes the strategy of mortgaging the future to win now by bringing in a bunch of aging overpaid guys others were desperate to unload (also doesn't seem to realize that stocking half your roster with overpaid shoot first point guards who all play the same way is not great for team chemistry). So he doesn't even accomplish the win now part, but he does manage an exceedingly rare double play by putting together a team with both the highest payroll and worst record. And, to top off this masterpiece, he gets the franchise in legal trouble as the focus of a sexual harassment lawsuit. I realize things weren't as bad this year (and he's had a couple nice draft picks) but those 1st 3 years are legendary bad GM lore.
But, if his career pattern holds true, he's well situated to replace David Stern right after the Knicks fire him.
RedSmithClone
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Big Chee said:
Hello . . . He didn't buy the Durant's mother tickets to that game, and God forbid if he buys tickets and ends up in a seat near her. Do you go to games and totally ignore the people sitting around you? Come on now don't be stupid!
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I caught that too, RedSmith, love how Chee spun sitting next to and talking to Durant's mom once into "tampering constantly".
