After Tuesday Hillary WILL ... ?

[markvid]

Fen, she can stay in this thing as long as she likes. I'm (mostly) fine with that. But I truly believe that had Obama lost 11 straight contests, and needed to split the remaining delegates 70-30 to win, a lot of folks in the media would be pressuring him daily -- if not hourly -- to drop out. For all the alleged Clinton distain (some of which is very real) I don't think there's been much of a drumbeat at all to force her out yet. It may very well pick up when she loses Texas (and she's definitely losing Texas) but Obama would be getting hammered if their situations were reversed, especially if he couldn't raise money the way she can't right now. Hammered.

DING! DING! DING!

 

[21]

will burn all her pantsuits

...or sell 'em on eBay, make some of that money back.

I don't see her dropping out.

 

[zeke12]

Yes, and those two campaigns are demonstrably similar.
Jesus.
As long as the margin between them is less than a reasonable proportion of the superdelegates, she runs. I don't know why zeke wants her out. It's hard to argue that campaigning against her, and debating her, hasn't made Obama a better candidate.

Because I don't have your faith that she won't go all the way to the convention behind and tear the party in two trying to win some other way than having the most votes and delegates.

 

[2muchcoffeeman]

I voted that I have no idea (and I was the second person to vote, so at the time "I dunno" was leading with both votes cast).

And I still don't.

With some of her superdelegates finally abandoning ship, I hope she sees the light after she gets her butt handed to her next week. However, I fear that she will try to drag it out until the convention.

 

[Ben_Hecht]

Neither Ohio nor Texas are going to yield huge wins for her.

Neither is Pennsylvania.

If she hangs in, she's hanging in in hope of a gargantuan BO faux pas . . . or the sudden ability of the Clinton clan to strongarm more supers than they can rightfully expect.

If she thinks she can somehow con the world into winner-take-all results out of Michigan and Florida, after at first renouncing such succor . . .
the party's fractured.

Where's the upside?

And who's going to pay the freight while all this raindancing is going on?

 

[Boom_70]

Neither Ohio nor Texas are going to yield huge wins for her.

Neither is Pennsylvania.

If she hangs in, she's hanging in in hope of a gargantuan BO faux pas . . . or the sudden ability of the Clinton clan to strongarm more supers than they can rightfully expect.

If she thinks she can somehow con the world into winner-take-all results out of Michigan and Florida, after at first renouncing such succor . . .
the party's fractured.

Where's the upside?

And who's going to pay the freight while all this raindancing is going on?

Ben didn't you hear? They've lost Lewis, it's over.

 

[Ben_Hecht]

Neither Ohio nor Texas are going to yield huge wins for her.

Neither is Pennsylvania.

If she hangs in, she's hanging in in hope of a gargantuan BO faux pas . . . or the sudden ability of the Clinton clan to strongarm more supers than they can rightfully expect.

If she thinks she can somehow con the world into winner-take-all results out of Michigan and Florida, after at first renouncing such succor . . .
the party's fractured.

Where's the upside?

And who's going to pay the freight while all this raindancing is going on?

Ben didn't you hear? They've lost Lewis, it's over.

I heard that. Can you imagine the verbal buffeting that poor ******* absorbed, over the last month? Suicide-inducing.

 

[Piotr Rasputin]

I voted that she'll eventually bow out, but leave in a blaze of bitter.

As a journalist, I do think it will be a more interesting story if she gets all the way to the convention intending to fight tooth and nail. Because then you've got Bill hopping in again, and all bets are off as far as what an ambitious politician and their campaign are willing to do in that situation. But I don't think that will happen; some kind of deal should happen before the convention, but I think she'll make Obama really beg for her to bow out.

As I have said before, I don't care if Obama would be asked to bow out by the media if the positions were reversed. And can we honestly say that, with as much Cult of Personality as he has, with as much Hollywood as he has behind him, and with the fact he is a compelling candidate? I don't honestly know. Maybe it would be loud-ER than it has been for Hillary, but I wouldn't blame him to sticking through to the end.

And as has been said . . . the Republican Machine will have a grand old time with Obama this fall if he and his acolytes are freaked about a beaten Hillary continuing to make speeches. It won't help the GOP win, but . . . it will make for compelling journalism.

 

[JackS]

...will start trying to figure out the best way to the WH at some later date.

If that means staying in and weakening Obama so that he'll lose and she'll be in the running for 2012, she'll do it.

If that means dropping out and supporting Obama (even grovelling for VP) so that he'll have a better chance to win and she'll be in better shape for 2016, she'll do it.

Since she ran for Senate in 2000, everything she does is with an eye on Pennsylvania Avenue. I don't believe she'll let that dream die.

After all, the Clintons have another freakin' rock star studded self glorifying library to dedicate.

 

[Ben_Hecht]

...will start trying to figure out the best way to the WH at some later date.

If that means staying in and weakening Obama so that he'll lose and she'll be in the running for 2012, she'll do it.

If that means dropping out and supporting Obama (even grovelling for VP) so that he'll have a better chance to win and she'll be in better shape for 2016, she'll do it.

Since she ran for Senate in 2000, everything she does is with an eye on Pennsylvania Avenue. I don't believe she'll let that dream die.

After all, the Clintons have another freakin' rock star studded self glorifying library to dedicate.

She can try . . . but the Dems trend younger . . . and her age/mindset have hurt her in this campaign. Compared to BO, she's stodgy, and
in that beauty contest, that matters.

 

[Boom_70]

...will start trying to figure out the best way to the WH at some later date.

If that means staying in and weakening Obama so that he'll lose and she'll be in the running for 2012, she'll do it.

If that means dropping out and supporting Obama (even grovelling for VP) so that he'll have a better chance to win and she'll be in better shape for 2016, she'll do it.

Since she ran for Senate in 2000, everything she does is with an eye on Pennsylvania Avenue. I don't believe she'll let that dream die.

After all, the Clintons have another freakin' rock star studded self glorifying library to dedicate.

At this point I just can't fathom Obama wanting The Clintons anywhere near his campaign.

 

[Italian_Stallion]

According to this, Hillary is bowing out Friday.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/2/27/153044/184/615/465173

But I'm not sure I buy it. Why would she drop out now? Why before March 4? Is she trying to avoid the letdown? It's all over the blogs now. By tonight, it'll be on your newscasts for sure.

 

[Lugnuts]

That's quite the rumor to liven up this thread. Thanks, IS.

 

[zeke12]

That's just not going to happen.

 

[Italian_Stallion]

I saw on DU that someone is pointing out that there is a futures deal where the chances of Hillary bowing out just went sky high. Not sure what that means.

 

[Guy_Incognito]

Not sure when, but when she does, it will be graceful. Even Gore, who kicked & screamed as long as he could, and then after a hiatus started kicking and screaming again, dropped out gracefully in the best speech he has ever given, and likely ever will. These days, it's the only way to go. She'll say she is going to "get back to doing the work of the American people" and pledge to work together to assure a victory in the fall. Whether or not she actually does it, or is bitter & snarky behind the scenes to reporters is a different questions.

PS- I'm not having a Bush Gore 2000 conversation today.

 

[Double Down]

PS- I'm not having a Bush Gore 2000 conversation today.

Then don't try to bait people with bullcrap.

 

[Second Thoughts]

She should get out. But I have no idea (my vote). I think if she stays she'll be working to disgrace Obama in some way that would derail his candidacy. Or win with the Fla-Mich-superdelegate shenanigans.

 

[markvid]

According to this, Hillary is bowing out Friday.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/2/27/153044/184/615/465173

But I'm not sure I buy it. Why would she drop out now? Why before March 4? Is she trying to avoid the letdown? It's all over the blogs now. By tonight, it'll be on your newscasts for sure.

IF that's true, it must be money.

 

[jboy]

She'll have to settle for being a Senator from New York. Loser.