After Tuesday Hillary WILL ... ?

[Lugnuts]

I got into a tiff with Mr. Lugs when he forcefully declared with a snarl, "She'll lose Texas, win Ohio and keep freakin' going."

There's so much hatred for Hillary... But also, everybody absolutley knows what her next move will be.

(Remember the old "She'll drop Bill so fast after they leave the White House"?)

Since there seems to be such strong opinions...

Let's assume for S's and G's that she wins Ohio and loses Texas (hey - here's one person hoping that doesn't happen), but let's assume that's the case for the purposes of this poll.

Going on the record with your vote is encouraged.

 

[Football_Bat]

She has to win both to stay alive and at least take it to Pennsylvania. By substantial margins.

I get to vote in one of the primaries in five days.

Sadly, I can tell you that in Texas, it's all over but the shouting. At least in DFW. I've heard Obama ads on the radio ad (get it) nauseam for the last 3 weeks and I have yet to hear one single solitary Hillary ad.

 

[jboy]

If she doesn't win both states its impossible to win the nomination, save for winning 90 percent of the vote in Pennsylvania, winning all the super delegates and getting FL and MI's delegates counted.

She'll look at her chances, her finances and bow out somewhat gracefully. She's lots of things, but she's not stupid.

 

[Lugnuts]

Interesting thoughts...

FB: Oh boy. How 'bout that. Her lack of $$$ is probably not being talked about as much as it should right now. I think her pissing pot's about to get repo'd.

 

[Boom_70]

will burn all her pantsuits

 

[Captain_Kirk]

If she loses both, she'll withdraw.

If she takes Ohio but loses Texas, I can see her thinking long and hard about withdrawing, but eventually deciding to continue. She's got all those big plum states on her side--NY, CA, FL, OH, etc., that are hard for her to walk away from. It also depends on what kind of pressure/advice her fellow Democrats are giving her: If she's getting a lot of heat to step aside, that could influence her decision.

When and if she does back out of the race, I think she'll do it gracefully. I know there's a lot of venom toward her, and that some folks expect her to sprout devil horns and begin breathing fire when the prize of becoming president is taken away from her, but I don't see that happening: I think it will be a dignified exit

And of the three remaining, I still think she's the one who has the best chance of making this country a better place in 2012 than it is in 2008.

 

[Chef]

kick the **** out of Bill on a daily basis.

 

[Lugnuts]

;D

 

[Claws for Concern]

... still not ever be in my kitchen.

She might, however, cook up a scheme to sabotage Obama.

 

[Fenian_Bastard]

She has to win both to stay alive and at least take it to Pennsylvania. By substantial margins.

I get to vote in one of the primaries in five days.

Sadly, I can tell you that in Texas, it's all over but the shouting. At least in DFW. I've heard Obama ads on the radio ad (get it) nauseam for the last 3 weeks and I have yet to hear one single solitary Hillary ad.

If she splits the two, and the one she loses is close, she'll go on to Pennsylvania, and she should. The delegate count will still be close -- especially if Texas is a close race, because nobody will be done parceling out the delegates down there for a couple of weeks. The notion that she should drop out because she's lost primaries while still winning delegates is bizarre.

 

[markvid]

She has to win both to stay alive and at least take it to Pennsylvania. By substantial margins.

I get to vote in one of the primaries in five days.

Sadly, I can tell you that in Texas, it's all over but the shouting. At least in DFW. I've heard Obama ads on the radio ad (get it) nauseam for the last 3 weeks and I have yet to hear one single solitary Hillary ad.

If she splits the two, and the one she loses is close, she'll go on to Pennsylvania, and she should. The delegate count will still be close -- especially if Texas is a close race, because nobody will be done parceling out the delegates down there for a couple of weeks. The notion that she should drop out because she's lost primaries while still winning delegates is bizarre.

Her lead is shrinking in PA with a little less than 8 weeks to go.

 

[Fenian_Bastard]

She has to win both to stay alive and at least take it to Pennsylvania. By substantial margins.

I get to vote in one of the primaries in five days.

Sadly, I can tell you that in Texas, it's all over but the shouting. At least in DFW. I've heard Obama ads on the radio ad (get it) nauseam for the last 3 weeks and I have yet to hear one single solitary Hillary ad.

If she splits the two, and the one she loses is close, she'll go on to Pennsylvania, and she should. The delegate count will still be close -- especially if Texas is a close race, because nobody will be done parceling out the delegates down there for a couple of weeks. The notion that she should drop out because she's lost primaries while still winning delegates is bizarre.

Her lead is shrinking in PA with a little less than 8 weeks to go.

We'll see what happens if she wins one of the primaries on Tuesday.
If she loses both of them, it's done.

 

[jackfinarelli]

I won't pretend to be able to read anyone's mind - - let along Hillary Clinton's. But if past behavior is any reasonable predictor of future behavior, what she will do after next Tuesday will be whatever she deems to be in her best interest.

If that means staying in the race until convention time, that's what she will do.

If that means dropping out of the race for any reason whatsoever, that's what she will do.

Like every politician at the national level, I really do not believe she has any altruistic thoughts on any subject.

 

[markvid]

I just wonder, though, that given that she thought she'd have the nomination in a lock by Super Tuesday, and her yes people went along with that, how her judgment is clouded.
Her campaign has been so poorly run from day one and I just wonder what advice she's getting about what to do if she loses Tuesday.

 

[zeke12]

I would caution against forgetting the two states between Tuesday and Pennsylvania.

Let's say that they split on Tuesday, Obama taking Texas and Vermont, Clinton winning Ohio and Rhode Island. Further, let's say the delegates are largely a split.

How can she win? She's likely to get thumped in Wyoming on the 8th and in Mississippi on the 11th, allowing Obama to extend his delegate lead.

How can she possibly justify staying in for five weeks heading up to Pennsylvania?

I'm not saying she doesn't have the right to stay in if she wants -- she does. But at this hypothetical point, which really lays out her best-case scenario, she just can't win.

 

[markvid]

I would caution against forgetting the two states between Tuesday and Pennsylvania.

Let's say that they split on Tuesday, Obama taking Texas and Vermont, Clinton winning Ohio and Rhode Island. Further, let's say the delegates are largely a split.

How can she win? She's likely to get thumped in Wyoming on the 8th and in Mississippi on the 11th, allowing Obama to extend his delegate lead.

How can she possibly justify staying in for five weeks heading up to Pennsylvania?

I'm not saying she doesn't have the right to stay in if she wants -- she does. But at this hypothetical point, which really lays out her best-case scenario, she just can't win.

She can't justify it.
Everyone knew Fred Thompson was lazy and was DOA from the start. But he ran anyway.

 

[Fenian_Bastard]

Yes, and those two campaigns are demonstrably similar.
Jesus.
As long as the margin between them is less than a reasonable proportion of the superdelegates, she runs. I don't know why zeke wants her out. It's hard to argue that campaigning against her, and debating her, hasn't made Obama a better candidate.

 

[markvid]

Yes, and those two campaigns are demonstrably similar.
Jesus.
As long as the margin between them is less than a reasonable proportion of the superdelegates, she wins. I don't know why zeke wants her out. It's hard to argue that campaigning against her, and debating her, hasn't made Obama a better candidate.

You are missing my point, F_B.
I am saying even when the momentum is against you, you ignore that and do what you want anyway.

 

[Fenian_Bastard]

Yes, and those two campaigns are demonstrably similar.
Jesus.
As long as the margin between them is less than a reasonable proportion of the superdelegates, she wins. I don't know why zeke wants her out. It's hard to argue that campaigning against her, and debating her, hasn't made Obama a better candidate.

You are missing my point, F_B.
I am saying even when the momentum is against you, you ignore that and do what you want anyway.

Yeah, but Fred never got close. This campaign is closer than the momentum would indicate. However, it looks today like she's really out of money and getting outspent hugely in both Ohio and Texas.

 

[Double Down]

Fen, she can stay in this thing as long as she likes. I'm (mostly) fine with that. But I truly believe that had Obama lost 11 straight contests, and needed to split the remaining delegates 70-30 to win, a lot of folks in the media would be pressuring him daily -- if not hourly -- to drop out. For all the alleged Clinton distain (some of which is very real) I don't think there's been much of a drumbeat at all to force her out yet. It may very well pick up when she loses Texas (and she's definitely losing Texas) but Obama would be getting hammered if their situations were reversed, especially if he couldn't raise money the way she can't right now. Hammered.