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Thank you. I did not know that. 😁

I supposed there will be a lot of passenger cars on this bridge too, if only to avoid the Ambassador Bridge and to say FU to the Moroun family,

There's a guy on YouTube named Chris Harden who has a lot of Rustbelt Ruin Porn videos. That's how I learned about Delray. He has an extensive series on Detroit neighborhoods, good and bad, that is very interesting.

Saw a video the other day on a different site about a hoarder house in the Boston-Edison neighborhood. Beautiful brick house, needed some work but they wanted $100k for it. Apparently the neighborhood comps are in the 600k range so the estimators thought it would still be a good deal, even at that price.
 
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Thank you. I did not know that. 😁

I supposed there will be a lot of passenger cars on this bridge too, if only to avoid the Ambassador Bridge and to say FU to the Moroun family,

There's a guy on YouTube named Chris Harden who has a lot of Rustbelt Ruin Porn videos. That's how I learned about Delray. He has an extensive series on Detroit neighborhoods, good and bad, that is very interesting.

Saw a video the other day on a different site about a hoarder house in the Boston-Edison neighborhood. Beautiful brick house, needed some work but they wanted $100k for it. Apparently the neighborhood comps are in the 600k range so the estimators thought it would still be a good deal, even at that price.

Such a weird and almost unique situation. In the span of three generations of my Detroit-born family, the city has gone from "the Paris of the Midwest" and three times a finalist for hosting an Olympics (1956, 1960 and 1964) to a hallowed-out shell of its former self with 90 percent of the population living there in increasingly dilapidated housing because they literally can't afford anything else.

I'm certain someone has or will write the definitive book or essay about the Fabulous Ruins of Detroit (there used to be a great website with that name) but to explain how Detroit went from mansions and business-packed boulevards to whatever you can call it now is hard for me to describe in terms of my own lifetime, let alone someone who only knows it as abandoned.

Packard has been sitting vacant since I was born. It was a massive facility in its day but if you look at a map, the property is dwarfed by GM's Hamtramck plant. It's a ugly wart in an ugly part of the city that just doesn't seem to have a resolution. In a way, the Packard plant is a monument to everything that's gone wrong in Detroit for the past 70 years.

My grandparents moved from Ontario farmland to the bright lights of Detroit in the 1910s because of the limitless possibilities and incredible opportunities. And my parents grew up in safe neighborhoods in the 1930s and 1940s with ample public transportion and an incredible number of glamorous movie theaters, dance halls, skating rinks, libraries and high-end shopping.

For my mother, Hudson's downtown was a two-mile round-trip ride on the Grand River streetcar. (In fact, she worked there during summers in high school.) Nardin Park Methodist Church, where my father met my mother when he came to play basketball in the church's basement, was close enough to where my grandmother could take meals to church potlucks. They got married there. I was baptised there.

Even after selling that house and moving to Grandmont/Rosedale Park in one of the last houses he built, my grandfather could send his 10-year-old grandson to the butcher shop or the drug store on the corner of Schoolcraft to buy the Free Press or the News or that night's dinner.

But white flight had already started well before the 1967 riots. Then expressways cut through neighborhoods (including the house my mother grew up in) and cut off the lifeblood that kept neighborhood businesses alive. Unlike other big midwestern cities that have undergone gentrification, Detroit's rich just kept going farther north and west because land was available and cheap, and they could commute to GM or Ford without having to live nearby.

Gwen and I went back in May -- for the first time in at least a decade -- and I was thankful that house and neighborhood looks great compared to much of the rest of the city. The butcher and drug stores are boarded up, and most of the rest of the businesses on Schoolcraft have disappeared. We had lunch at a Taco Bell with bulletproof glass surrounding the counter and work area. I was probably more concerned with getting food poisoning than being mugged, to be honest.

And that's the biggest Catch-22 for Detroit's long-term future. You've got all this empty land for construction but no infrastructure to support it. There are no Meijer's or Kroger's or Walmart or Target south of Eight Mile. Nobody's going to build houses without a grocery store but nobody's going to build a grocery store without houses.

There's a wonderul resurgence downtown. But I don't know how Detroit ever solves the issue of the emptiness between there and the suburbs. The bridge will bring more cars and trucks but they will whiz right through town on their way to somewhere else.
 
Just a coda. The fires that leveled Pacific Palisades and Altadena in California were a natural disaster akin to the man-made disaster that slowly decimated Detroit. One happened in a matter of hours. The other in a matter of decades.

Those places will eventually grow back, with insurance money and demand. There's no demand to solve Detroit's issues.
 
Educators at Wayne State forecast Detroit's demise in 1961 or 1962, but their report was written off as BS because the auto industry was flourishing at that time.

Detroit outgrew itself when it became the Arsenal of Democracy during WWII. There was no way the city/region's economy could be as strong in peacetime. We no longer needed to build thousands of bombers, tanks, etc., to fight the Korean or Vietnam wars.

Yet when I watch Midlife Stockman episodes, most of the neighborhoods he visits are still mostly intact, albeit with vacant lots and some abandoned/land bank houses. So there are still pockets of decent places in the city, and he doesn't go to places like Boston/Edison, University, Palmer Woods or Indian Village.

Those who fled to Oakland County in the 1960s aren't coming back. But some of their grandchildren are, if they stuck around the region. Population seems to have stabilized at about 700k.

Maybe two good mayors back-to-back can help too. That hasn't happened for quite a while.
 
Those who fled to Oakland County in the 1960s aren't coming back. But some of their grandchildren are, if they stuck around the region.

Same thing is happening on some level in Boston, which obviously never struggled like Detroit. The kids whose parents left during white flight are now paying $4,000/month for apartments one block over from where Dad played stickball.
 
Same thing is happening on some level in Boston, which obviously never struggled like Detroit. The kids whose parents left during white flight are now paying $4,000/month for apartments one block over from where Dad played stickball.
I would move to Boston in a heartbeat if it wasn't so expensive
 
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Are we the only country with this problem?

If so, why?

And great post, Micro.
 
I recently heard that rents in Boston are coming down from previous highs. (I would also like to live in Boston, but the cost of living it just.....whoa)

Are Boston Rents Dropping? Here’s What You Should Know - Off Campus Apartment Finder

Boston’s rental market headed for a 'small transition' - Boston Agent Magazine

But the problem with old units is the cost to rehab. Anyone who's worked on an older home knows. Is the electric up to code? Is there insulation? With larger sites, is there contamination that needs to be remediated?

And of course, everyone's favorite NIMBYs. What do you mean you want to put a townhome next to my home? Think of the property values!!!
 
Such a weird and almost unique situation. In the span of three generations of my Detroit-born family, the city has gone from "the Paris of the Midwest" and three times a finalist for hosting an Olympics (1956, 1960 and 1964) to a hallowed-out shell of its former self with 90 percent of the population living there in increasingly dilapidated housing because they literally can't afford anything else.

I'm certain someone has or will write the definitive book or essay about the Fabulous Ruins of Detroit (there used to be a great website with that name) but to explain how Detroit went from mansions and business-packed boulevards to whatever you can call it now is hard for me to describe in terms of my own lifetime, let alone someone who only knows it as abandoned.

Packard has been sitting vacant since I was born. It was a massive facility in its day but if you look at a map, the property is dwarfed by GM's Hamtramck plant. It's a ugly wart in an ugly part of the city that just doesn't seem to have a resolution. In a way, the Packard plant is a monument to everything that's gone wrong in Detroit for the past 70 years.

My grandparents moved from Ontario farmland to the bright lights of Detroit in the 1910s because of the limitless possibilities and incredible opportunities. And my parents grew up in safe neighborhoods in the 1930s and 1940s with ample public transportion and an incredible number of glamorous movie theaters, dance halls, skating rinks, libraries and high-end shopping.

For my mother, Hudson's downtown was a two-mile round-trip ride on the Grand River streetcar. (In fact, she worked there during summers in high school.) Nardin Park Methodist Church, where my father met my mother when he came to play basketball in the church's basement, was close enough to where my grandmother could take meals to church potlucks. They got married there. I was baptised there.

Even after selling that house and moving to Grandmont/Rosedale Park in one of the last houses he built, my grandfather could send his 10-year-old grandson to the butcher shop or the drug store on the corner of Schoolcraft to buy the Free Press or the News or that night's dinner.

But white flight had already started well before the 1967 riots. Then expressways cut through neighborhoods (including the house my mother grew up in) and cut off the lifeblood that kept neighborhood businesses alive. Unlike other big midwestern cities that have undergone gentrification, Detroit's rich just kept going farther north and west because land was available and cheap, and they could commute to GM or Ford without having to live nearby.

Gwen and I went back in May -- for the first time in at least a decade -- and I was thankful that house and neighborhood looks great compared to much of the rest of the city. The butcher and drug stores are boarded up, and most of the rest of the businesses on Schoolcraft have disappeared. We had lunch at a Taco Bell with bulletproof glass surrounding the counter and work area. I was probably more concerned with getting food poisoning than being mugged, to be honest.

And that's the biggest Catch-22 for Detroit's long-term future. You've got all this empty land for construction but no infrastructure to support it. There are no Meijer's or Kroger's or Walmart or Target south of Eight Mile. Nobody's going to build houses without a grocery store but nobody's going to build a grocery store without houses.

There's a wonderul resurgence downtown. But I don't know how Detroit ever solves the issue of the emptiness between there and the suburbs. The bridge will bring more cars and trucks but they will whiz right through town on their way to somewhere else.
Actually, there are three Meijer stores in Detroit - one being a mini version. But you're right about related stores not wanting to open in Detroit.
 
Actually, there are three Meijer stores in Detroit - one being a mini version. But you're right about related stores not wanting to open in Detroit.

Ah. I stand corrected! I see one downtown, one at Eight Mile and Woodward and another at McNichols and Grand River. Probably safe enough even at night but you wouldn't want to get lost from there.

Even Roseland Park Cemetery at 12 Mile and Woodward felt a bit sketchy this spring. It's not kept up like it used to be -- gravestones toppled and in need of major lawn maintenance. But Berkley still looked nice. My great-grandfather's house on Catalpa, where my grandmother and father were both born, is now part of Berkley High School's auditorium. Grandma Aumann graduated from there in 1931. Dad graduated from Mumford in 1953. I haven't lived within 700 miles of there since 1960 but that's part of my history.

I can stand at my grandparent's gravesite and see the top of Beaumont Hospital, where I was born.
 
Actually, there are three Meijer stores in Detroit - one being a mini version. But you're right about related stores not wanting to open in Detroit.
Inner-city food deserts are a major, major problem everywhere. No way is a Wegman's going to the east side of Buffalo (there is a Tops).

OTOH, we stopped at a Food Lion in a not-so-great part of El Paso last year. It was one of the cleanest grocery stores I have ever been in, with workers on every isle to help if you needed it. We made it a point to seek out the manager to tell him.
 
OTOH, we stopped at a Food Lion in a not-so-great part of El Paso last year. It was one of the cleanest grocery stores I have ever been in, with workers on every isle to help if you needed it. We made it a point to seek out the manager to tell him.
There are two grocery stores in my town and for the longest time I’ve exclusively shopped at Publix. One night I stopped in to the independent store because I just needed milk and it is much closer to me. I expected it to be a dingy, smelly mess but instead it was immaculately clean. It is smaller and has less selection than Publix, but now I tend to split my shopping between the two.
 
I just saw a short video from former Detroit mayor Mike Duggan (unfortunately I could not link it). It states that since 2014 (when he took office?) the Detroit Land Bank has reduced its inventory of abandoned houses from 47K to 980 or thereabouts, through demolition or sale. He said that since 2020, they've actually sold more vacant lots than they have demolished houses.

Not sure if he's running for statewide office, and if his numbers are accurate. I know nothing about the man. But it appears for once Detroit city government is actually trying, and sometimes succeeding.
 
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I just saw a short video from former Detroit mayor Mike Duggan (unfortunately I could not link it). It states that since 2014 (when he took office?) the Detroit Land Bank has reduced its inventory of abandoned houses from 47K to 980 or thereabouts, through demolition or sale. He said that since 2020, they've actually sold more vacant lots than they have demolished houses.

Not sure if he's running for statewide office, and if his numbers are accurate. I know nothing about the man. But it appears for once Detroit city government is actually trying, and sometimes succeeding.
Here's the city's story -- Mayor Duggan provides final residential blight removal program report | City of Detroit

and...
 
Mike Duggan will leave office next week. He announced that he's running for governor next year as an independent, even though he's a Democrat. The current governor, Gretchen Whitmer, is term-limited and will leave office Dec. 31, 2026. Running as an independent will only cut into the Democratic vote.

Duggan has done a heck of a job as mayor, though he's certainly not perfect (who is?). I think the incoming mayor, current City Council President Mary Sheffield, will do a decent job, but she'll be hard-pressed to do what Duggan did. Sheffield has her faults, but was a better choice than her challenger.
 
She won’t be able to do what Duggan did; which was basically save the city. (I hesitate saying that because of the “white savior” thing some believe, but it’s true.) Dave Bing tried but was up against decades of mismanagement and apathy and the financial crisis. At least he got things moving forward.
 
She won’t be able to do what Duggan did; which was basically save the city. (I hesitate saying that because of the “white savior” thing some believe, but it’s true.) Dave Bing tried but was up against decades of mismanagement and apathy and the financial crisis. At least he got things moving forward.
I just hope they can keep the momentum going forward. Trump's/the administration's hatred for urban areas/people of color won't help at all.
 
That Michigan race will be one to watch for sure. Duggan is well-funded for an independent and will take votes from (likely) Benson, but will it be enough to elevate Cox?
 

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