A downloaded music case goes to court UPDATE

[Rosie]

From what I understand, most 'illegal downloaders' who are caught usually settle out of court. However, a Brainerd, Minn. woman is not settling, she's let this go to court and today was the first day of the trial.

Duluth jury hears 4 witnesses in illegal downloading lawsuit

One thing which I will probably never understand. It's illegal to share files of music on the internet -- most are not making money off it, yet it's legal in most places for a ticket scalper to sell a ticket for much more than face value. Doesn't much make sense to me.

 

[Hank_Scorpio]

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yet it's legal in most places for a ticket scalper to sell a ticket for much more than face value. Doesn't much make sense to me.

It is illegal to sell a ticket for more than face value (at least here it is).

It's the enforcement there that is lacking.

 

[PCLoadLetter]

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I will absolutely laugh my ass off if the music industry loses this one. I'm glad they finally picked on someone with the resources to fight back.

 

[Armchair_QB]

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yet it's legal in most places for a ticket scalper to sell a ticket for much more than face value. Doesn't much make sense to me.

It is illegal to sell a ticket for more than face value (at least here it is).

It's the enforcement there that is lacking.

That's not true everywhere.

 

[Chi City 81]

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yet it's legal in most places for a ticket scalper to sell a ticket for much more than face value. Doesn't much make sense to me.

It is illegal to sell a ticket for more than face value (at least here it is).

It's the enforcement there that is lacking.

That's not true everywhere.

Especially on the corner of Addison and Clark.

 

[Hank_Scorpio]

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Yea, you guys are right, there is enforcement.

I was commenting more along the lines of Rosie's comment. There should probably be more focus on catching scalpers, instead of spending tons of resources on smaller downloading cases.

 

[PCLoadLetter]

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Yea, you guys are right, there is enforcement.

I was commenting more along the lines of Rosie's comment. There should probably be more focus on catching scalpers, instead of spending tons of resources on smaller downloading cases.

I think there are probably very few places left where the resale of tickets above face value is illegal.

 

[NoOneLikesUs]

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I will absolutely laugh my ass off if the music industry loses this one. I'm glad they finally picked on someone with the resources to fight back.

I think the music industry will eventually lose this battle (if it hasn't already). It's just plain silly to keep this up.

 

[Huggy]

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Scalping might as well be legal here in Toronto at least as far as Leaf and concert tickets go.

I used to deal with a scalper a few years back (way before online ticket places like StubHub) and when I asked him if he ever got hassled he said, "**** no. Where do you think the cops go when they need hockey tickets or their kids want to go see Madonna?"

I'm sure that attitude is prevalent elsewhere.

 

[Starman]

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From what I understand, most 'illegal downloaders' who are caught usually settle out of court. However, a Brainerd, Minn. woman is not settling, she's let this go to court and today was the first day of the trial.

Duluth jury hears 4 witnesses in illegal downloading lawsuit

One thing which I will probably never understand. It's illegal to share files of music on the internet -- most are not making money off it, yet it's legal in most places for a ticket scalper to sell a ticket for much more than face value. Doesn't much make sense to me.

It's legal in most places to sell your car for more than face value (or any other price to which the buyer may agree).

 

[Rosie]

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Perhaps using the ticket scalping scenario wasn't the best analogy. It seems to me the main argument the record companies have is the loss of revenue and the money the scalpers are making is money the record companies are 'losing' -- even though they really aren't.

Different analogy. Someone takes a newspaper and makes 10 or 20 copies of your column, then hands them out to friends and family. Some of them make copies, and like the old shampoo commercial, and so on and so on. Can you see the owner of your paper going after all these people and taking them to court for copyright violations? To me, the file sharing on the internet isn't that much different.

I'm conflicted over the whole situation. I understand the need to protect intellectual property, but on the other hand, it's time for the record companies to pull themselves out of the dark ages and figure out a way to work with the electronic world in which we now live.

 

[NoOneLikesUs]

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They call it piracy as if the person who is downloading the song is then sitting there making thousands of CDs to sell. It may happen, but most likely not in this country (see China).

And the record companies should be partly to blame for their own downfall. They do such a ****ty job of protecting their product. I can log on to a torrent site right now and download any number of upcoming releases. You'd think if they were hurting they would not release a thing until the actual release date. The same goes for Hollywood. Hey guys...Don't send out perfect digital copies of your movie which is still in theaters. Make those Oscar voters get off their asses and go to the theater.

 

[Rosie]

The verdict is in....guilty and ordered to pay $222,000.

Duluth jury decides Brainerd woman must pay $222,000 for downloaded music files

 

[Football_Bat]

The verdict is in....guilty and ordered to pay $222,000.

Duluth jury decides Brainerd woman must pay $222,000 for downloaded music files

At least we've got them down to six digits now.

We shall overcome ....

 

[EStreetJoe]

One thing which I will probably never understand. It's illegal to share files of music on the internet -- most are not making money off it, yet it's legal in most places for a ticket scalper to sell a ticket for much more than face value. Doesn't much make sense to me.

I hate ticket scalping scum but it can be argued free enterprise and the record companies aren't losing any money off it.
If someone illegally downloads an album or a song (for free), it means the record company has missed out on an additional sale. Person A bought the album/single and upped it for download, but instead of buying it, Person B downloads it for free.
In the case of scalping scum, the record company,promoters,etc. have already made the money from the sale of the ticket. If a scalper wants to resell it for hundreds (or thousands) more than face value, it doesn't effect how much the record company gets. The ticket can only be sold to one person and it was. If that person wants to resell it, the record company doesn't care. They've made their money.

 

[zeke12]

Since when does the DNT have a registration?

Weird.

 

[EStreetJoe]

Since when does the DNT have a registration?

Weird.

Thanks when you visit bugmenot.

 

[Barsuk]

If someone illegally downloads an album or a song (for free), it means the record company has missed out on an additional sale. Person A bought the album/single and upped it for download, but instead of buying it, Person B downloads it for free.

I think this is a flawed argument. I download tons of **** that I would never listen to if I had to buy it, so in that case, the record companies aren't losing a sale, they're gaining a listener. I can't say that's true for everything I download, and I can't say it's true for every downloader, but it's true in many cases.

Oh, and **** the record companies -- $222,000? Bull****.

 

[Trouser_Buddah]

There are a ton of people that download music illegally... did they go after her because she wasn't just downloading them, she was sharing/distributing the music?

 

[PCLoadLetter]

If someone illegally downloads an album or a song (for free), it means the record company has missed out on an additional sale. Person A bought the album/single and upped it for download, but instead of buying it, Person B downloads it for free.

I think this is a flawed argument. I download tons of **** that I would never listen to if I had to buy it, so in that case, the record companies aren't losing a sale, they're gaining a listener. I can't say that's true for everything I download, and I can't say it's true for every downloader, but it's true in many cases.

Oh, and **** the record companies -- $222,000? Bull****.

Completely agreed. I've often downloaded stuff from torrent sites, liked it, and ended up buying things from that artist. If I hadn't downloaded it I never would have heard itin the first place.

So at what point does the RIAA start going after libraries for loaning CDs?