'Why don't Americans save more money?'

[Dick Whitman]

Very interesting piece in the Atlantic:

Why Don’t Americans Save More Money?

Nearly half of Americans would not be able to come up with $400 in savings in an emergency, according to a Federal Reserve study cited in The Atlantic's cover story this month. America’s poor and its middle class live on the razor’s edge of financial security through their working years and are uniquely ill-prepared for retirement. The United States finished 19th for three consecutive years in a global analysis of retirement security, behind Australia, New Zealand, Japan, South Korea, Canada, and 13 European countries.

I think my current 401k savings rate is 10 percent. Very little in the liquid savings, though. Enough to come up with $400 in an emergency, though. So I've got that going for me.

This was driven home last week, though, when my 30-year-old cousin contacted me to help him with a "loan." I braced for how much it would be. The answer: $40 to prevent his phone from being turned off that night.

I'm always of two competing minds about paying for retirement. On one hand, I want us to be secure for retirement, assuming we both live that long. On the other, I fret that we're missing out on experiences now, the 18-21 years of our lives that we'll actually give a **** about, looking back.

 

[Ace]

We are consumers. Consumers consume.

 

[YankeeFan]

Divorce has to be among the top reasons.

It's rarely mentioned as a reason. The article DoubleDown posted in the politics thread didn't highlight it.

But, it's a killer for family finances.

Is your 30-year-old cousin divorced?

 

[Dick Whitman]

Divorce has to be among the top reasons.

It's rarely mentioned as a reason. The article DoubleDown posted in the politics thread didn't highlight it.

But, it's a killer for family finances.

Is your 30-year-old cousin divorced?

No, he's not. He had a serious girlfriend for a while who had a child from a previous marriage, so I'm not sure how much he poured down that rabbit hole. He's one of these guys who has been working on his degree (in education) for about 10 years. He works as a waiter.

 

[Dick Whitman]

Divorce has to be among the top reasons.

It's rarely mentioned as a reason. The article DoubleDown posted in the politics thread didn't highlight it.

But, it's a killer for family finances.

Is your 30-year-old cousin divorced?

My best friend from college is divorced and I can tell it's a killer. He's constantly fretting about money and all of his regrets. And this is a guy who is a manager at his Blue Cross/Blue Shield office. I know when we took an extended weekend ski trip together this past winter, he lied to his ex-wife about it because she owed him money, and he didn't want her to think he had money and, therefore, didn't need hers.

 

[Ace]

Medical bills can also wipe out savings.

In addition, it's hard when you are in your 20s and 30s to say that your are going to put off having nice things or going on trips or having fun so that you can do that when you are in your 60s.

I think most of America says screw that.

We don't go on fancy vacations, have 3 cars in the family all with over 120K miles, a nice ranch house in a decent neighborhood, but haven't saved a dime beyond what's in our 401Ks.

 

[MisterCreosote]

Home ownership and having children are the two biggest money-making scams of all time.

Once you do those things, everybody lines up for a piece of the action, and once they get their hands in your pockets, they'll take and take and take until the end of time, if you let them.

 

[MisterCreosote]

My best friend from college is divorced and I can tell it's a killer. He's constantly fretting about money and all of his regrets. And this is a guy who is a manager at his Blue Cross/Blue Shield office. I know when we took an extended weekend ski trip together this past winter, he lied to his ex-wife about it because she owed him money, and he didn't want her to think he had money and, therefore, didn't need hers.

I count my blessings all the time for uncontested divorces. They cost $200. Period. The end.

 

[TheSportsPredictor]

Too many bills to pay.

 

[LongTimeListener]

Having married into an immigrant family, I can tell you this is hugely cultural. The Chinese savings rate is something like 30-40 percent of annual income. The rate recommended to Americans, for a long time (and I think even now), is 6 percent. We want nice things and there are powerful forces telling us to buy them.

Then again, if everyone did save except for the essentials, the American economy would collapse, so that isn't much better.

 

[JC]

BT Express to play the part of Ragu on this thread.

 

[BitterYoungMatador2]

When the average salary increases at a rate of 2-percent a year while costs and expenses rise at about double that, it's not hard to figure out.

 

[Dick Whitman]

We want nice things and there are powerful forces telling us to buy them.

Then there are millennials, who don't buy things at all, but seem to jaunt to exotic locales every weekend, and have sampled the offerings of every chef in town.

 

[justgladtobehere]

Is this '**** Whitman Posts Weeks Old Articles' day?

This piece has made the rounds of every public radio outlet. That's how tired it is.

 

[LongTimeListener]

Yeah. Hence my comment about the economy going in the crapper if we ever got smart about saving.

How many businesses out there are filling a ***need***?

 

[Dick Whitman]

Is this '**** Whitman Posts Weeks Old Articles' day?

This piece has made the rounds of every public radio outlet. That's how tired it is.

I've been listening to Prince exclusively in the car since his untimely demise, so I missed it when it made the rounds.

 

[Dick Whitman]

Yeah. Hence my comment about the economy going in the crapper if we ever got smart about saving.

How many businesses out there are filling a ***need***?

One, from what I observe.

Apple.

 

[User 11148]

You'd be surprised how cheap you can live, so lots and lots of people could save more. You'd probably not be surprised at how much it would suck, which is why so few people actually do that given the choice (or the chance to ignore/postpone it).

 

[BitterYoungMatador2]

We are consumers. Consumers consume.

This is pretty much it. We're addicted to new. Back in the day you bought a car, paid it off in three years or so and drove it until it started ****ing up, which was usually around year eight or nine. Now, if your car is over five years old it's, "when you getting rid of that?" And your options become (a) pay for costly repairs (A simple tune up just cost me $500) or (b) get into another lengthy car payment.

Add in home electronics. Once upon a time, you bought a television and that mother****er sat in a corner until it died. Now, you buy a 40-inch TV, then go and get the 56-inch when it comes down in price, then go get the 56-inch Smart TV when it comes down in price.....in 15 years you've been through three TVs and about $1,500.

No one just uses **** until it's done anymore.

 

[Mr. Sunshine]

Because they're married?