Why APSE?

[Stitch]

Has their been an attempt to create an organization where the leaders aren't editors at big papers? It seems the industry probably needs an advocacy organization independent of big players. I know SPJ's leadership is diverse with several officers working as reporters or producers.

 

[Moderator1]

You're it! Create away. What's stopping you?

 

[Stitch]

Don't be a **** as I know your agenda, or at least make a good guess as to what it is.

 

[dixiehack]

And the gloves are dropped before the national anthem.

 

[Moderator1]

Don't be a **** as I know your agenda, or at least make a good guess as to what it is.

A. Don't call me a **** in you want to stay around these parts. YOUR agenda, as it always is, is to cast the industry in a bad light (we know, you don't like sports writers) and to find another way to rip on APSE. You make your distaste of the organization clear, and I'm willing to bet you know very little about it beyond Albom 2010 (which causes your boner).

B. I didn't dispute your point. I said, hey, go ahead? What's stopping you. Many *****, few have actual answers.

C. Refer to me as a **** again and you'll be referring to me as a **** elsewhere. I don't take that from anybody and I damn sure won't take it here.

I have no agenda, Mr. APSE Hater. You do. To find a way to rip APSE at every turn. So create the alternative you say is necessary. Do something besides *****.

Or is that not as much fun?

 

[Uncle.Ruckus]

And the gloves are dropped before the national anthem.

I'M LISTENING TO THE ****ING SONG!!!!!!

 

[dog eat dog world]

Wow, this got bent from the outset and I'm sorry I clicked it. I thought it would be informative but even the CEO got baited into a pissing match with threats. C'mon people....TWO really bad overreactions.

I could see the possibility that the APSE organization is filled with people, who with perhaps great passion for the business, are also tied by the balls to the corporate structure.
But if you're looking for a union-type organization Stitch, I don't see it happening.

 

[Stitch]

Not looking for a union. That's asking to get fired.

I don't hate sports writers. I don't care for the attitudes of the top leaders in the biz. Most of them, especially at small papers, have to work like a dog covering events not many readers care about at the expense of chasing interesting stories that are challenging. Most sports writers just want to write. Most sports writers want an organization that takes a tough stand against those who dishonor the profession through plagiarism. More and more sports writers need an organization that helps them either progress or offer tools to transition them out of journalism when layoffs come or they are just ready to leave.

 

[Moderator1]

Wow, this got bent from the outset and I'm sorry I clicked it. I thought it would be informative but even the CEO got baited into a pissing match with threats. C'mon people....TWO really bad overreactions.

I could see the possibility that the APSE organization is filled with people, who with perhaps great passion for the business, are also tied by the balls to the corporate structure.
But if you're looking for a union-type organization Stitch, I don't see it happening.

You're a good dog, dog. But I don't take it well when the "d" word is used in reference to me!

Carry on.

(and APSE does have a VP from the "smaller" papers and works pretty hard at helping them - including paying their way to some things. But some people don't want to hear anything about that because it might reflect well on the organization)

 

[hondo]

Don't be a **** as I know your agenda, or at least make a good guess as to what it is.

A. Don't call me a **** in you want to stay around these parts. YOUR agenda, as it always is, is to cast the industry in a bad light (we know, you don't like sports writers) and to find another way to rip on APSE. You make your distaste of the organization clear, and I'm willing to bet you know very little about it beyond Hoppes 2010 (which causes your boner).

B. I didn't dispute your point. I said, hey, go ahead? What's stopping you. Many *****, few have actual answers.

C. Refer to me as a **** again and you'll be referring to me as a **** elsewhere. I don't take that from anybody and I damn sure won't take it here.

I have no agenda, Mr. APSE Hater. You do. To find a way to rip APSE at every turn. So create the alternative you say is necessary. Do something besides *****.

Or is that not as much fun?

Now that's a *****-slap.

 

[SixToe]

Nice. Very nice, Moddy. Two thumbs up.

 

[Moderator1]

Nice. Very nice, Moddy. Two thumbs up.

Eh, thanks. I honestly don't enjoy doing that type of thing as much as it might seem. But to quote a line from my favorite movie - sometimes you just gotta say, "What the ****?!?"

I'm pretty sure Tommy Deas from Tuscaloosa is the current VP representing the smaller papers. He's pretty damn sharp. He's around here now and then, perhaps he can weigh in with some things the group does to help the smaller papers. At least those that don't mind being "tainted" by APSE!!

 

[dog eat dog world]

Hell most newspapers today below the 100,000 line wouldn't pay for crap in terms of OJT. It's non-existent.
Even as you look out in the parking lot and see four BMWs driven by ad sales people.

 

[dog eat dog world]

Make that 25,000.

 

[Moderator1]

Not looking for a union. That's asking to get fired.

I don't hate sports writers. I don't care for the attitudes of the top leaders in the biz. Most of them, especially at small papers, have to work like a dog covering events not many readers care about at the expense of chasing interesting stories that are challenging. Most sports writers just want to write. Most sports writers want an organization that takes a tough stand against those who dishonor the profession through plagerism. More and more sports writers need an organization that helps them either progress or offer tools to transition them out of journalism when layoffs come or they are just ready to leave.

If not many readers care about them, why are they covering them? That sounds like a problem right there.

I can't argue with you on the Albom thing. I don't know enough, I don't much like it. But I'm not going to use it as a club to condemn an organization that does way more good than harm, at least from my viewpoint. There were several sessions at this year's convention that dealt with the very topics you discussed.

Also, learn how to spell plagiarism. (says the guy who isn't sure he got it right)

 

[dog eat dog world]

Enlighten me on Hoppes 2010. Because that's about when we dropped membership.

 

[Moderator1]

I misspoke. It was Albom 2010 that has Stitch in an uproar. Albom won the Red Smith Award that year. That's what I meant. Have Hoppes on the brain. My apologies.

 

[Rotund Desker]

The partnership between APSE and the International Sports Journalism Center hasn't really produced a significant impact as of yet, unless seminars about the importance of diversity in the newsroom was their ultimate end goal.

Maybe it will, in the future. But APSE, like the newspapers it is aligned with, is reactionary as opposed to progressive. A unique trait among such organizations, to be sure.

Anyway, Moddy figured out this new name of mine in record time, so he's at least a good private ****.

 

[Moderator1]

And just a plain ol' ****, don't forget that. Been called that by two of my favorite people tonight.

 

[Uncle.Ruckus]

I'm sure I've called you worse, and vice versa. Does that particular one just rub you the wrong way?