We are Penn(itentiary) State!

[Hammer Pants]

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/otl/news/story?id=3504915

Holy hell. I had no idea that Penn State's disciplinary issues were this staggering. Forty-six players facing a combined 163 charges since 2002?!?!?!?! JoePa's interview was a train wreck, too. Talk about a tainted image...

Even the SEC's bad boys can't top this.

 

[kingcreole]

Saw this on ESPN this morning. Ol' Joe Pa is definitely in denial.

 

[Hammer Pants]

Saw this on ESPN this morning. Ol' Joe Pa is definitely in denial.

My college roommate lives in the Philly area, and he's having a field day with this. He called me and said he wants to print "We are State Penn!" shirts.

 

[typewriterhill]

Graham Spanier is the man who should be getting the tough questions and blame, not the barely alive Joe Paterno. It is Spanier and others on the board who refuse to make a tough decision and tell Joe to retire or face the news of being fired. Paterno and Bobby Bowden are holding programs hostage by making themselves higher than the institution. These men earned their shot to retire on their own without facing the firing squad but the last 5-10 years for each program has been one problem after another.

 

[armageddon]

Saw this on ESPN this morning. Ol' Joe Pa is definitely in denial.

Then so are folks at Tennessee, Iowa, Wisconsin and other places.

The three I named had disproportionate runs in recent years, with Iowa in the midst of an ugly stretch.

Penn State is not an island in this discussion.

 

[2muchcoffeeman]

No, they didn't "win" the 2007 Fulmer Cup.

Illinausea did. And Penn State was runner-up.

http://www.sportsargumentwiki.com/index.php?title=Fulmer_Cup_2007

 

[mustangj17]

Sounds like Iowa.

 

[Hammer Pants]

Saw this on ESPN this morning. Ol' Joe Pa is definitely in denial.

Then so are folks at Tennessee, Iowa, Wisconsin and other places.

The three I named had disproportionate runs in recent years, with Iowa in the midst of an ugly stretch.

Penn State is not an island in this discussion.

An island? Not at all. But I can't imagine any current program topping those ridiculous numbers since 2002. Seventeen players just in 2007? Holy ****. That's not a coincidence. That's an epidemic.

And when you claim to build a program like Paterno claims he has, you're practically begging modern media to come punch a hole in it.

 

[Hammer Pants]

http://www.sportsargumentwiki.com/index.php?title=Fulmer_Cup_Dynasty

For giggles, here's the all-time Fulmer Cup standings. Roll Tide!

How can Fulmer be fourth in his own conference? The award is named after his 2005 Bad Boys.

 

[RossLT]

So they are basically Florida State North?

 

[markvid]

Graham Spanier is the man who should be getting the tough questions and blame, not the barely alive Joe Paterno. It is Spanier and others on the board who refuse to make a tough decision and tell Joe to retire or face the news of being fired. Paterno and Bobby Bowden are holding programs hostage by making themselves higher than the institution. These men earned their shot to retire on their own without facing the firing squad but the last 5-10 years for each program has been one problem after another.

Joe has raised millions towards non-athletic endeavors at Penn State and he and his wife funded the reconstruction of the library on campus.
He leaves when he wants to leave.

 

[pseudo]

Saw this on ESPN this morning. Ol' Joe Pa is definitely in denial.

My college roommate lives in the Philly area, and he's having a field day with this. He called me and said he wants to print "We are State Penn!" shirts.

Sheeeit, he's at least twenty years late. You could get one of those in the mid-80s.

Course, it wasn't nearly as true back then. :-\

 

[outofplace]

Graham Spanier is the man who should be getting the tough questions and blame, not the barely alive Joe Paterno. It is Spanier and others on the board who refuse to make a tough decision and tell Joe to retire or face the news of being fired. Paterno and Bobby Bowden are holding programs hostage by making themselves higher than the institution. These men earned their shot to retire on their own without facing the firing squad but the last 5-10 years for each program has been one problem after another.

Joe has raised millions towards non-athletic endeavors at Penn State and he and his wife funded the reconstruction of the library on campus.
He leaves when he wants to leave.

And those are the things he should be working on full-time now. Nobody is saying Paterno is a bad guy here (though he has been an asshole to the media for no good reason on occasion). But it's getting ugly there and he is no longer capable of fixing the problem. He should know that.

 

[outofplace]

Saw this on ESPN this morning. Ol' Joe Pa is definitely in denial.

Then so are folks at Tennessee, Iowa, Wisconsin and other places.

The three I named had disproportionate runs in recent years, with Iowa in the midst of an ugly stretch.

Penn State is not an island in this discussion.

An island? Not at all. But I can't imagine any current program topping those ridiculous numbers since 2002. Seventeen players just in 2007? Holy ****. That's not a coincidence. That's an epidemic.

And when you claim to build a program like Paterno claims he has, you're practically begging modern media to come punch a hole in it.

It is the second point that really jumps out to me, Hammer. Penn State has tried to claim it has had all its success while remaining clean, while holding itself above what other programs do. That just isn't true, at least not any more.

I'm not sure if it ever was true. I wonder how much slipped by everyone's notice for all those years that the media in State College wouldn't dare take on St. Joe.

 

[D-3 Fan]

Saw this on ESPN this morning. Ol' Joe Pa is definitely in denial.

Then so are folks at Tennessee, Iowa, Wisconsin and other places.

The three I named had disproportionate runs in recent years, with Iowa in the midst of an ugly stretch.

Penn State is not an island in this discussion.

The problems at Penn St., Wisky, and Tenn., to name a few, were examples I was telling a few friends here and a couple of bloggers(!) on the Register were writing about this past week. The message was this: Iowa's not alone and no one should in this fly-over state should be surprised, disgusted, or embarrassed.

Unfortunately, the idiots I live with in this state hasn't gotten the message yet.

 

[whatwoulddamondo?]

Joe has raised millions towards non-athletic endeavors at Penn State and he and his wife funded the reconstruction of the library on campus.
He leaves when he wants to leave.

sorry. it's one thing when the win-loss record takes a dip, it's another when "lack of institutional control" (a bs phrase, but one that applies here) becomes a concern. this is only the first layer of the onion to get peeled. joe should go.

 

[armageddon]

Saw this on ESPN this morning. Ol' Joe Pa is definitely in denial.

Then so are folks at Tennessee, Iowa, Wisconsin and other places.

The three I named had disproportionate runs in recent years, with Iowa in the midst of an ugly stretch.

Penn State is not an island in this discussion.

The problems at Penn St., Wisky, and Tenn., to name a few, were examples I was telling a few friends here and a couple of bloggers(!) on the Register were writing about this past week. The message was this: Iowa's not alone and no one should in this fly-over state should be surprised, disgusted, or embarrassed.

Unfortunately, the idiots I live with in this state hasn't gotten the message yet.

It's the same reax all over the place (in the community and at the papers that cover the teams) and the questions are always the same, as are the calls for action.

This **** goes in cycles. Always has, always will.

 

[markvid]

Joe has raised millions towards non-athletic endeavors at Penn State and he and his wife funded the reconstruction of the library on campus.
He leaves when he wants to leave.

sorry. it's one thing when the win-loss record takes a dip, it's another when "lack of institutional control" (a bs phrase, but one that applies here) becomes a concern. this is only the first layer of the onion to get peeled. joe should go.

You and outofplace raise very good points - but I think as long as he's still going to bowl games (and New Year's Day bowls at that), there would be much more outrage if he were pushed rather than retired.

 

[beefncheddar]

What was the final count on number of times Paterno called the piece a "witch hunt?"

 

[Pancamo]

So they are basically Florida State North?

Yes because he is an old man like Bowden who built a great program and is in the process of tearing it down because both are selfish old geezers.

As for criminals, FSU and UM are nowhere near PSU in the last few years. Public perception and reality are two different things.