The Future For Terrelle Pryor

[Boom_70]

Sub Pryor for Pat White in this system . Watch the Zone read plays and imagine Pryor running them.

 

[GB-Hack]

I don't see any reason why Tressel, as good a coach as he is, doesn't have that same play and system in the tOSU offense next season.

Pryor was going to be fine wherever he went, because he's a talented player that coaches will build an offense around. Obviously with the use of Boeckman on key passing plays in the Fiesta Bowl, he needs to work on his passing skills, but he's got eight months to do that.

 

[Boom_70]

I don't see any reason why Tressel, as good a coach as he is, doesn't have that same play and system in the tOSU offense next season.

Pryor was going to be fine wherever he went, because he's a talented player that coaches will build an offense around. Obviously with the use of Boeckman on key passing plays in the Fiesta Bowl, he needs to work on his passing skills, but he's got eight months to do that.

You can't just put the spread in - see Auburn. Its a huge commitment.

 

[Goldeaston]

Prez, Pryor's arm is better than Smith's. Far better. He needs to work on some mechanics to help with his accuracy, and decision-making, which will come in time. He's bigger, faster and stronger than Smith. Smith worked his ass of. Whether Pryor does remains to be seen.

Pryor, remember, was not just in high school last year, but in the peewee division.

GB-Hack, Tressel is not a good coach. He's a great recruiter. His teams have underachieved, except for the one he had that was recruited mostly by Cooper (an even better recruiter, but an even worse coach), and that team was perhaps the benefactor of more good fortune than any in the history of sports. In reality, that team could have been 6-6.

 

[Twoback]

If the guy wants to play in the NFL, how would it have been better for him to play in a spread offense system -- a style that has turned out, what, zero successful NFL QBs?

 

[Boom_70]

Prez, Pryor's arm is better than Smith's. Far better. He needs to work on some mechanics to help with his accuracy, and decision-making, which will come in time. He's bigger, faster and stronger than Smith. Smith worked his ass of. Whether Pryor does remains to be seen.

Pryor, remember, was not just in high school last year, but in the peewee division.

GB-Hack, Tressel is not a good coach. He's a great recruiter. His teams have underachieved, except for the one he had that was recruited mostly by Cooper (an even better recruiter, but an even worse coach), and that team was perhaps the benefactor of more good fortune than any in the history of sports. In reality, that team could have been 6-6.

That is really my point/ question - Pryor has great raw skills - is Tressel the right guy to refine them. I have my doubts.

 

[outofplace]

If the guy wants to play in the NFL, how would it have been better for him to play in a spread offense system -- a style that has turned out, what, zero successful NFL QBs?

That depends on what type of spread offense you are talking about. If you are talking about a spread that relies a great deal on option running plays, that could be seen as an issue. But I would think any college coach with an athlete like Pryor would want to use some elements of that to take advantage of his talents.

I have also heard what Drew Brees played in at Purdue referred to as a spread offense. The same goes for what Delaware ran with Joe Flacco.

 

[Moderator1]

Should have went to?
Shouldn't it be should have gone to?
Or am I the grammar****edupologist here?

 

[GB-Hack]

GB-Hack, Tressel is not a good coach. He's a great recruiter. His teams have underachieved, except for the one he had that was recruited mostly by Cooper (an even better recruiter, but an even worse coach), and that team was perhaps the benefactor of more good fortune than any in the history of sports. In reality, that team could have been 6-6.

Yes, a coach that wins a national title against a massive favorite isn't a good coach. Tressel adapts to his players every year, and has success every year. His team just almost beat Texas in the Fiesta Bowl.

Just because he hasn't had success lately in the BCS doesn't mean he's not getting his teams into one of its games almost every single year.

 

[Goldeaston]

Tressel won that title because of A) a massive cheap shot that knocked McGahee out of the game, B) a horrible call after Miami had already won the game, and C) A dropped pass by a Cincinnati receive in early September.

Guy can't coach a lick, especially in big games. Tressel did not get his team into the BCS this year, OSU's fans did. If Buckeye fans didn't travel so well, Boise, Texas Tech or someone else would have been in that game. He wins games in the Big MAC year after year, but when he faces real teams, or even semi-real teams like Texas, he gets destroyed.

 

[GB-Hack]

24-21 is now destroyed.

Gotcha.

He's taken tOSU to three national title games, won one, has gone 3-3 in BCS bowl games, 7-1 against Michigan, has won five Big Ten titles, and that's not even including four Division I-AA titles at Youngstown State, where you actually have to beat the best teams in the division to be named national champion.

 

[I Digress]

Plus, you probably have to wait and see what type of offense OSU comes out and runs next year. Tressel showed with Smith that he's not afraid to go to the spread. But it's probably hard to completely overhaul your offense in the middle of the year. And since the original plan was to have Boeckman as the starter, you can't fault OSU for not having an offense completely tailored to Pryor's skill set.
The kid has plenty of time to win a Heisman or two.
I think we're jumping the gun a bit here saying Pryor will never develop into a great college player.

I agree

 

[Appgrad05]

24-21 is now destroyed.

Gotcha.

He's taken tOSU to three national title games, won one, has gone 3-3 in BCS bowl games, 7-1 against Michigan, has won five Big Ten titles, and that's not even including four Division I-AA titles at Youngstown State, where you actually have to beat the best teams in the division to be named national champion.

Listen, goddamnit, and you listen good - there is absolutely no room for rationality on this board. None. Zilch. Nada. You either jump off the cliff or you lurk. No other options.

 

[Goldeaston]

24-21 is now destroyed.

Gotcha.

He's taken tOSU to three national title games, won one, has gone 3-3 in BCS bowl games, 7-1 against Michigan, has won five Big Ten titles, and that's not even including four Division I-AA titles at Youngstown State, where you actually have to beat the best teams in the division to be named national champion.

Three national title games -- one with another guy's players, two where they got blown out in the only game all year against a quality opponent.

7-1 against Michigan: See "a quality opponent." Going 7-1 against a team that can't beat Appalachian State and Toledo? Wow. Guy knows how to keep his job, that's for sure.

I-AA titles? Great. That program was believed to be even filthier than the one Tressel runs in Columbus, but since it was in little league, the NYT wasn't coming around to investigate.

Winning the Big Ten is not as accomplishment. Winning against good competition outside it? Different story. And in 24 months, his teams have played top 10 teams, I believe, five times. They are 0-5, three of the losses blowouts and the fourth they didn't score a touchdown. Yes, great coach.

 

[Drip]

Should have went to?
Shouldn't it be should have gone to?
Or am I the grammar****edupologist here?

Too easy.

 

[GB-Hack]

24-21 is now destroyed.

Gotcha.

He's taken tOSU to three national title games, won one, has gone 3-3 in BCS bowl games, 7-1 against Michigan, has won five Big Ten titles, and that's not even including four Division I-AA titles at Youngstown State, where you actually have to beat the best teams in the division to be named national champion.

Three national title games -- one with another guy's players, two where they got blown out in the only game all year against a quality opponent.

7-1 against Michigan: See "a quality opponent." Going 7-1 against a team that can't beat Appalachian State and Toledo? Wow. Guy knows how to keep his job, that's for sure.

I-AA titles? Great. That program was believed to be even filthier than the one Tressel runs in Columbus, but since it was in little league, the NYT wasn't coming around to investigate.

Winning the Big Ten is not as accomplishment. Winning against good competition outside it? Different story. And in 24 months, his teams have played top 10 teams, I believe, five times. They are 0-5, three of the losses blowouts and the fourth they didn't score a touchdown. Yes, great coach.

If you're going to use solely the last two years to judge someone's entire coaching career, I'm not sure what to tell you.

Evidently the 'What have you done for me lately' effect is in full force.

 

[Goldeaston]

It's not two years, GB. The guy rode Cooper's players through a luck-filled season (they pulled about seven wins out of thin air) that was capped by a gift-wrapped win against Miami. Since then, Tressel's claim to fame is winning a very mediocre conference and beating up on a mostly pathetic pre-conference schedule to stay unbeaten, then getting destroyed in the NC game.

This is a team that nearly lost to Ohio U this year. Yes. He's the next Lombardi.

 

[Flying Headbutt]

If Tressell is a bad coach, then there are dozens of atrocious coaches in college football. And the list of good coaches is smaller than number of supporters of Illinois' governor.

 

[qtlaw]

This discussion is irrelevant, we all know now that Pryor is the next great Charles Rogers, end of discussion. He's a WR, not a QB.

 

[Drip]

This discussion is irrelevant, we all know now that Pryor is the next great Charles Rogers, end of discussion. He's a WR, not a QB.

He's a great athlete. The kid can play QB in college. He can also be a WR or anything else. I would love to see him develop into a solid QB.