STILL not ready to drink the Obama Kool-Aid

[Football_Bat]

Sure he's kicking Hillary's ass ... but I AM NOT GETTING IT.

Yeah, he's new. Yeah, he's not Republican. Yeah, he's a change of direction. Yeah, he has 670 teeth and shows them all while smiling on the campaign trail. And yeah, he will probably win in a landslide in November.

I'm reminded of a song lyric: "Look in my eyes ... what do you see ..."

I saw it before when I was a kid and saw the counter-reaction 4 years later when I was an older kid.

Somebody convince me we're not re-electing Jimmy Carter here.

 

[alleyallen]

Re: I'm not ready to drink the Obama Kool-Aid

Has Obama ever been attacked by a rabbit while fishing?

 

[Football_Bat]

Re: I'm not ready to drink the Obama Kool-Aid

Y'all have five days to persuade me.

 

[Boom_70]

Re: I'm not ready to drink the Obama Kool-Aid

The rubber will meet the road after the primaries. Is he closer to Jimmy Carter or Abe Lincoln? We'll see real soon.

McCain will force him to articulate his ideas on how to deal with Islamic terrorists.

 

[beardpuller]

Re: I'm not ready to drink the Obama Kool-Aid

Beats me, but I'm the guy who thinks Jimmy Carter got a bad rap.

It bothered me that I've never known less about a major candidate in a presidential election than I know about Obama, so I went to my local library (it didn't bother me enough to spend actual money) and took out his 1995 book, "Dreams from my Father," about his upbringing. Obama wrote it back when he was just starting in politics, I think we can be reasonably certain the words are his and not some speech writer's.
I have to say, I was really impressed. For one thing, I've never read anything by an aspiring president that included the word "mother****er" before. For another, I came to believe that his background and his upbringing really give him a unique, valuable perspective. Over and over again, I was impressed by his insight into his situation and the situations of people he was writing about, in his youth and in his early days as a community organizer. He did not come off as an impractical, pie-in-the-sky sort of person. He didn't come off as real stuck on himself, either.
None of which means he'll be able to accomplish anything if he's elected president. But I voted for him in my state's primary, and I will again in November, presuming he's the nominee.

 

[Simon_Cowbell]

Re: I'm not ready to drink the Obama Kool-Aid

The rubber will meet the road after the primaries. Is he closer to Jimmy Carter or Abe Lincoln? We'll see real soon.

McCain will force him to articulate his ideas on how to deal with Islamic terrorists.

McCain ain't forcing anything.

The Democratic primary season is the 1992-1997 NFC Championship games, the de facto Super Bowl.

McCain's age and his hawk sensibilities, combined with being from Mr. 19 Percent's party, will be a nasty cocktail to imbibe.

 

[Simon_Cowbell]

Re: I'm not ready to drink the Obama Kool-Aid

Clinton's utter disorganization has soured me off her as a vote more than any other single factor, even Obama himself.

 

[Fenian_Bastard]

Re: I'm not ready to drink the Obama Kool-Aid

Boom -
Is McCain going to articulate his ideas on how to deal with Islamic terrorists because the ones he seems to have attached himself to really suck.

 

[Lugnuts]

Re: I'm not ready to drink the Obama Kool-Aid


For what it's worth, McCain is beating Obama in head-to-head at the moment.

It's a long way 'til November, but I don't see where folks are getting 'landslide.'

Is it the Democratic turnout? Does history tell us that's a big factor? I don't know - I'm asking.

What about the Bradley Effect?

I think we should all prepare for a McCain Presidency every bit as much as an Obama Presidency.

 

[Duane Postum]

Re: I'm not ready to drink the Obama Kool-Aid

Clinton's utter disorganization has soured me off her as a vote more than any other single factor, even Obama himself.

Amen!

 

[Boom_70]

Re: I'm not ready to drink the Obama Kool-Aid

Boom -
Is McCain going to articulate his ideas on how to deal with Islamic terrorists because the ones he seems to have attached himself to really suck.

We'll see. I think it will be the issue that will decide the election. You have 2 canidates that people would consider crossing party lines to vote for.

We need to learn more about both candidates.

 

[outofplace]

Re: I'm not ready to drink the Obama Kool-Aid

For what it's worth, McCain is beating Obama in head-to-head at the moment.

It's a long way 'til November, but I don't see where folks are getting 'landslide.'

Is it the Democratic turnout? Does history tell us that's a big factor? I don't know - I'm asking.

What about the Bradley Effect?

I think we should all prepare for a McCain Presidency every bit as much as an Obama Presidency.

It is a bit early to predict the outcome, but I think you realize that McCain's head-to-head edge on Obama right now is an illusion. McCain has the nomination locked up. Obama does not. Get Clinton out of the race and those numbers will change.

 

[Boom_70]

Re: I'm not ready to drink the Obama Kool-Aid

For what it's worth, McCain is beating Obama in head-to-head at the moment.

It's a long way 'til November, but I don't see where folks are getting 'landslide.'

Is it the Democratic turnout? Does history tell us that's a big factor? I don't know - I'm asking.

What about the Bradley Effect?

I think we should all prepare for a McCain Presidency every bit as much as an Obama Presidency.

In preparing for a McCain Presidency I am going to stock up on batteries,duct tape and canned food. In the trunk of my car I am going to keep a shovel and a pail of sand.

 

[Lugnuts]

Re: I'm not ready to drink the Obama Kool-Aid

It is a bit early to predict the outcome, but I think you realize that McCain's head-to-head edge on Obama right now is an illusion. McCain has the nomination locked up. Obama does not. Get Clinton out of the race and those numbers will change.

Yep - another great point...

But what's curious is that a nameless, faceless Democrat beats McCain in those same polls. Put a name to the Democrat (Obama or Hillary) and McCain wins.

What accounts for that?

 

[Lugnuts]

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In preparing for a McCain Presidency I am going to stock up on batteries,duct tape and canned food. In the trunk of my car I am going to keep a shovel and a pail of sand.

Another smart reason for owning a Hummer.

 

[BTExpress]

Re: I'm not ready to drink the Obama Kool-Aid

Somebody convince me we're not re-electing Jimmy Carter here.

There are no guarantees. If he is a bad choice, you can choose again in four years. If you survived the past eight years, you cannot possibly think Obama's worsst-case scenario could be any worse.

BTW . . . those hostages that helped doom Carter's chances at re-election . . . all came back alive, with their heads attached to their bodies.

We tend to forget that sometimes.

 

[outofplace]

Re: I'm not ready to drink the Obama Kool-Aid

It is a bit early to predict the outcome, but I think you realize that McCain's head-to-head edge on Obama right now is an illusion. McCain has the nomination locked up. Obama does not. Get Clinton out of the race and those numbers will change.

Yep - another great point...

But what's curious is that a nameless, faceless Democrat beats McCain in those same polls. Put a name to the Democrat (Obama or Hillary) and McCain wins.

What accounts for that?

I think that is the desire for change, the voters who perhaps don't know exactly what they want except they do know it has to be as different from what they currently have as possible. And those people are the ones who will give a big boost to the Democratic candidate once the nomination is locked up. In a sense, all they really want is to vote against President Bush or anybody like him. And it wouldn't matter who the Republicans put in the race, they are going to vote against that person.

The head-to-head numbers of any Democratic candidate against McCain won't really mean much until there is just one Democratic candidate.

 

[jboy]

Re: I'm not ready to drink the Obama Kool-Aid

The rubber will meet the road after the primaries. Is he closer to Jimmy Carter or Abe Lincoln? We'll see real soon.

McCain will force him to articulate his ideas on how to deal with Islamic terrorists.

We've already gotten a preview of that and Obama is holding his own:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/02/27/ST2008022703886.html?hpid=topnews

Speaking to 7,000 voters at Ohio State University on Wednesday, Obama answered McCain's mocking tone with his own.

"McCain thought that he could make a clever point by saying, 'Well let me give you some news, Barack, al-Qaeda is in Iraq.' Like I wasn't reading the papers, like I didn't know what was going on. I said, 'Well, first of all, I do know that al-Qaeda is in Iraq; that's why I've said we should continue to strike al-Qaeda targets.

"I have some news for John McCain, and that is that there was no such thing as al-Qaeda in Iraq until George Bush and John McCain decided to invade Iraq." The crowd roared its approval. "I've got some news for John McCain. He took us into a war along with George Bush that should have never been authorized and should have never been waged. They took their eye off the people who were responsible for 9/11, and that would be al-Qaeda in Afghanistan that is stronger now than at any time since 2001.

"So John McCain may like to say he wants to follow Osama bin Laden to the gates of hell, but so far all he's done is follow George Bush into a misguided war in Iraq that's cost us thousands of lives and billions of dollars."

BTW, the economy is the No. 1 issue for voters, not Iraq.

 

[Lugnuts]

Re: I'm not ready to drink the Obama Kool-Aid

The head-to-head numbers of any Democratic candidate against McCain won't really mean much until there is just one Democratic candidate.

Your explanation makes sense. It'll be fun to follow this summer.

 

[Boom_70]

Re: I'm not ready to drink the Obama Kool-Aid

The rubber will meet the road after the primaries. Is he closer to Jimmy Carter or Abe Lincoln? We'll see real soon.

McCain will force him to articulate his ideas on how to deal with Islamic terrorists.

We've already gotten a preview of that and Obama is holding his own:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/02/27/ST2008022703886.html?hpid=topnews

Speaking to 7,000 voters at Ohio State University on Wednesday, Obama answered McCain's mocking tone with his own.

"McCain thought that he could make a clever point by saying, 'Well let me give you some news, Barack, al-Qaeda is in Iraq.' Like I wasn't reading the papers, like I didn't know what was going on. I said, 'Well, first of all, I do know that al-Qaeda is in Iraq; that's why I've said we should continue to strike al-Qaeda targets.

"I have some news for John McCain, and that is that there was no such thing as al-Qaeda in Iraq until George Bush and John McCain decided to invade Iraq." The crowd roared its approval. "I've got some news for John McCain. He took us into a war along with George Bush that should have never been authorized and should have never been waged. They took their eye off the people who were responsible for 9/11, and that would be al-Qaeda in Afghanistan that is stronger now than at any time since 2001.

"So John McCain may like to say he wants to follow Osama bin Laden to the gates of hell, but so far all he's done is follow George Bush into a misguided war in Iraq that's cost us thousands of lives and billions of dollars."

BTW, the economy is the No. 1 issue for voters, not Iraq.

A lot can change between now and the fall when voters will be fully focused on candidates.