Smoke up losers

[Azrael]

A ticket rather than an arrest (at least for white folks) has been the NYC practice for a while.

Pot in New York: $100 Ticket. No Charges. No Record. No Nothing - Bloomberg

Weed Is Basically Legal in New York City Now, but Only If You're White

 

[jr/shotglass]

You're going to have to start rooting for the Orix Buffaloes before this is all over.

 

[User 11148]

Wonder how the ersatz* Sandinista thinks smoking a plain old coffin nail in public ought to be handled ...


*My most fevered critics will note my eschewing Latin there.

 

[Azrael]

Wonder how the ersatz* Sandinista thinks smoking a plain old coffin nail in public ought to be handled ...


*My most fevered critics will note my eschewing Latin there.

$50 ticket.

Not often enforced.

NYC Taking 'Inform On Your Friends' Approach To Outdoor Smoking Ban

 

[User 11148]

Chuckling. Only in New York ...

 

[DocTalk]

Adverse Effects of Cannabis on Adolescent Brain Development: A Longitudinal Study | Cerebral Cortex | Oxford Academic
https://www.biologicalpsychiatryjournal.com/article/S0006-3223(18)31257-5/fulltext
https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/e548/568780389835de77da7512dfb8b6c5aca3b9.pdf

Just a little of the recent research discussing safety or lack thereof, related to marijuana use in adolescents.

Legalization will have to balance societal risk reward. Hope smarter minds learn from the alcohol experience.

 

[Batman]

Wonder how the ersatz* Sandinista thinks smoking a plain old coffin nail in public ought to be handled ...


*My most fevered critics will note my eschewing Latin there.

That's one of my biggest problems with the pro-legalization crowd. They're usually the same ones decrying the marketing tactics of "Big Tobacco" and trying to eradicate cigarette smoking because of its societal costs, while at the same time insisting marijuana smoke is some sort of benevolent substance that has no negative effects whatsoever.

 

[Slacker]

That's one of my biggest problems with the pro-legalization crowd. They're usually the same ones decrying the marketing tactics of "Big Tobacco" and trying to eradicate cigarette smoking because of its societal costs, while at the same time insisting marijuana smoke is some sort of benevolent substance that has no negative effects whatsoever.

Batman, have you ever smoked a joint and gotten high? @YankeeFan? @doctorquant?

I'm always interested in the opinions of those who oppose pot, but not if they haven't tried it.

 

[Just the facts ma am]

Adverse Effects of Cannabis on Adolescent Brain Development: A Longitudinal Study | Cerebral Cortex | Oxford Academic
https://www.biologicalpsychiatryjournal.com/article/S0006-3223(18)31257-5/fulltext
https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/e548/568780389835de77da7512dfb8b6c5aca3b9.pdf

Just a little of the recent research discussing safety or lack thereof, related to marijuana use in adolescents.

Legalization will have to balance societal risk reward. Hope smarter minds learn from the alcohol experience.

Thanks for your contributions to the board, Doc. IMHO posting a link to a medical journal article written in "docspeak" is not informative, interesting or entertaining.

 

[User 11148]

I'm always interested in the opinions of those who oppose pot, but not if they haven't tried it.

I don’t know where you got the idea that I “oppose” pot. I don’t partake, but that’s because it’s illegal. I don’t think it should be illegal (except for minors, etc.).

 

[Slacker]

I don’t know where you got the idea that I “oppose” pot. I don’t partake, but that’s because it’s illegal. I don’t think it should be illegal (except for minors, etc.).

Fair enough!

But have you ever tried it?

 

[User 11148]

Fair enough!

But have you ever tried it?

Sure. Only a handful of times, but I can see the allure.

As far as why I didn’t do it much when I was of the age ... Growing up there were the kids who, if they did anything, they got caught. I was one of those. Toilet paper some other kid’s yard? The police would be knocking on my door at 3 a.m. Try to float a check for a day? Overdrawn. So I just knew that if I smoked some I’d get caught and my life would be over (that was the if-you-get-caught narrative in my day).

Plus ... I liked beer an awfully lot.

If it’s ever legal, I’ll probably grow some. I grow too much basil, anyway.

 

[Slacker]

Sure. Only a handful of times, but I can see the allure.

As far as why I didn’t do it much when I was of the age ... Growing up there were the kids who, if they did anything, they got caught. I was one of those. Toilet paper some other kid’s yard? The police would be knocking on my door at 3 a.m. Try to float a check for a day? Overdrawn. So I just knew that if I smoked some I’d get caught and my life would be over (that was the if-you-get-caught narrative in my day).

Plus ... I liked beer an awfully lot.

If it’s ever legal, I’ll probably grow some. I grow too much basil, anyway.

Cool, thanks. I'd vote for pot over alcohol anytime.

Nobody who tokes up beats his wife or kills others with a car like drinkers do. Also, cookies and cake taste even better!

 

[Batman]

Batman, have you ever smoked a joint and gotten high? @YankeeFan? @doctorquant?

I'm always interested in the opinions of those who oppose pot, but not if they haven't tried it.

I have not. Not once. And I never will. I don't drink, either.
How that disqualifies me from recognizing the dangers of using and abusing those products escapes me. That's like saying I can't cover a football team because I never played the game.

Besides, I'm willing to go with the flow on pot legalization. If states decide to legalize it and regulate its production and use -- while still criminalizing the bad things that come with abusing it, such as DUIs -- then whatever. It's the will of the people. I don't think there will be a law passed mandating that everyone toke up, so it doesn't affect me too much.

What's always annoyed me about the pro-legalization crowd is:
1) How they never shut the **** about it. Get one of them on the subject and it's like you've invited a Patchouli-smelling Jehovah's Witness into your home. For even more fun, cross thread the pro-pot discussion with one on the rules and limits of police searches. Those ****ers will talk until next November.
2) Their inability to remember their own name half the time, but they can cite some obscure study from a grad student at Berkeley in 1957 detailing the benefits of daily marijuana usage.
3) As I noted earlier, how they're usually the same folks who are trying to abolish cigarette smoking without once acknowledging that this other type of smoking is probably just as harmful.
They're like Vegans, except with Hippie Lettuce instead of regular lettuce.

 

[Slacker]

I have not. Not once. And I never will. I don't drink, either.
How that disqualifies me from recognizing the dangers of using and abusing those products escapes me. That's like saying I can't cover a football team because I never played the game.

Besides, I'm willing to go with the flow on pot legalization. If states decide to legalize it and regulate its production and use -- while still criminalizing the bad things that come with abusing it, such as DUIs -- then whatever. It's the will of the people. I don't think there will be a law passed mandating that everyone toke up, so it doesn't affect me too much.

What's always annoyed me about the pro-legalization crowd is:
1) How they never shut the **** about it. Get one of them on the subject and it's like you've invited a Patchouli-smelling Jehovah's Witness into your home. For even more fun, cross thread the pro-pot discussion with one on the rules and limits of police searches. Those ****ers will talk until next November.
2) Their inability to remember their own name half the time, but they can cite some obscure study from a grad student at Berkeley in 1957 detailing the benefits of daily marijuana usage.
3) As I noted earlier, how they're usually the same folks who are trying to abolish cigarette smoking without once acknowledging that this other type of smoking is probably just as harmful.
They're like Vegans, except with Hippie Lettuce instead of regular lettuce.

Fair enough. But your numbered points are bull****.

Also, if you've never tried pot (or alcohol), you can't analyze it like you can a football game. It's not a visual study.

 

[Batman]

Fair enough. But all this stuff is bull****.

Also, if you've never tried pot (or alcohol), you can't analyze it like you can a football game. It's not a visual study.

So I can't point out that alcoholism and DUIs are terrible side effects of using alcohol? Or that a lot of the effects of pot use seem to mirror those of alcohol, both short- and long-term?
I'm not critiquing different strains of weed, or whether Craft Beer A is better than Craft Beer B. If that was the case, then fair enough. I'll turn down the job offer from High Times. I'm pointing out obvious facts.

 

[Slacker]

So I can't point out that alcoholism and DUIs are terrible side effects of using alcohol? Or that a lot of the effects of pot use seem to mirror those of alcohol, both short- and long-term?
I'm not critiquing different strains of weed, or whether Craft Beer A is better than Craft Beer B. If that was the case, then fair enough. I'll turn down the job offer from High Times. I'm pointing out obvious facts.

Have you ever had a drink, though?
You didn't say "Not once. And I never will" like you did with pot.

I know a lot of guys who gave up drinking after they tried it. That doesn't mean they can talk about pot.

 

[Batman]

Have you ever had a drink, though?
You didn't say "Not once. And I never will" like you did with pot.

I know a lot of guys who gave up drinking after they tried it. That doesn't mean they can talk about pot.

My father was an alcoholic who almost drank himself to death when I was 11, and then finished the job a dozen years later. Before I went to college, when I was old enough to understand what was happening, I made a vow never to touch the stuff. And I haven't. I'm not ashamed of it, either. Pretty proud of it, actually. You want to drink and get high, that's your bag. It's not mine, doesn't have to be, and never will be.
It hardly means, however, that I'm some kind of dunderhead on the dangers of it. You don't have to wake up in a pool of your own vomit in a crashed-up car to recognize that. I've had enough moments in my life to see traits of addictive behavior in myself, some of them more destructive than others, and realize it's not a road I ought to go down.

The last time I willingly had a drink was when I was 17. Took a couple of sips of a rum and coke at a party. Had a few friends after that who thought they'd be funny and slip me a "Coke" that was actually a mixed drink. I took one sip, spit it out and damn near threw it back in their face. I was ready to throw hands over it until they apologized.
That's where my major annoyance with the pro-pot crowd comes in. And I'm mostly talking about the ones for whom it has become a movement and a lifestyle, not the occasional weekend tokers. There's this belief among them that you'd just see the magic of pot if you smoked, man. Things would be so much cooler! It's the same attitude my friends had when they tried to slip me a drink thinking I wouldn't notice. It rubs me in all the wrong ways because it's ****ing arrogant as hell.

 

[Slacker]

My father was an alcoholic who almost drank himself to death when I was 11, and then finished the job a dozen years later. Before I went to college, when I was old enough to understand what was happening, I made a vow never to touch the stuff. And I haven't. I'm not ashamed of it, either. Pretty proud of it, actually. You want to drink and get high, that's your bag. It's not mine, doesn't have to be, and never will be.
It hardly means, however, that I'm some kind of dunderhead on the dangers of it. You don't have to wake up in a pool of your own vomit in a crashed-up car to recognize that. I've had enough moments in my life to see traits of addictive behavior in myself, some of them more destructive than others, and realize it's not a road I ought to go down.

The last time I willingly had a drink was when I was 17. Took a couple of sips of a rum and coke at a party. Had a few friends after that who thought they'd be funny and slip me a "Coke" that was actually a mixed drink. I took one sip, spit it out and damn near threw it back in their face. I was ready to throw hands over it until they apologized.
That's where my major annoyance with the pro-pot crowd comes in. And I'm mostly talking about the ones for whom it has become a movement and a lifestyle, not the occasional weekend tokers. There's this belief among them that you'd just see the magic of pot if you smoked, man. Things would be so much cooler! It's the same attitude my friends had when they tried to slip me a drink thinking I wouldn't notice. It rubs me in all the wrong ways because it's ****ing arrogant as hell.

Strong stuff, thanks. I haven't smoked pot in years, but it beats the hell out of alcohol. I can't wait till it's legal here.

 

[Batman]

Strong stuff, thanks. I haven't smoked pot in years, but it beats the hell out of alcohol. I can't wait till it's legal here.

Frankly, it's all the same to me. Stuff that makes you drunk and dumb and leads to other bad decisions. I guess people like the feeling of the high, but I can't fathom doing that to myself. As I spelled out, my beliefs are what they are and they're strong and will not change. As I've gotten older, though, it's simply become something that's not part of my life. At this point, I doubt 99.9 percent of people even notice or care.