Ryan Adams: HOF?

[Dick Whitman]

He's never been a chart topper. He can be kind of a ****. But his legacy, which he continues to add to, is as the genius singer-song writer of his time. "Faithless Street" is brilliant and beautiful. Discuss.

 

[Big Circus]

He's certainly got the counting stats. Think of all the odd genre exercises he's got sitting in his vaults, unreleased. I know he's got a hardcore punk album out there (although that may have gotten a release under a different name), and I think he's recorded death metal stuff as well.

 

[Mr. Sunshine]

I hope DD sees this thread. I know he has a few thoughts.

 

[PCLoadLetter]

Would have my vote. The guy's brilliant. Went through a phase when he could have self-edited a bit more, but even his weakest stuff is pretty damn good.

 

[Double Down]

I'm one of the better RA fans on this board, obviously. (Couple users probably lap me, but I'm up there.)

It's hard for me to view this objectively. Some of his stuff with Whiskeytown is some of my favorite stuff ever. Heartbreaker and Gold are almost modern classics, though I think both probably fall a little short of that distinction. As **** said, Faithless Street is one of the quintessential alt-country records. I don't know where they'd end up, but I think these 11 Ryan Adams songs would be in my Top 100 songs of all time.

-Houses on The Hill
-Jacksonville Skyline
-Bar Lights
-To Be Young
-Oh My Sweet Caroline
-Excuse Me While I Break My Own Heart
-Don't Wanna Know Why
-Dear Chicago
-Come Pick Me Up
-Firecracker (The Suicide Handbook version)
-Dance All Night

All that said, I think there is something missing that would make him worthy of a true music HOF. (I don't think we should factor in the Rock and Roll HOF because we all know it's a joke.) I admire Adams interest in taking risks, in goofing around with genres and with never doing exactly what people want him to be doing. The Taylor Swift thing was funny because he was actually sincere about it, and his cover of Welcome to New York and Wish You Would are genuinely great.

But... in truth, I miss the Adams who who wrote ****ing amazing songs in his 20s that were backed by a harmonica and a fiddle. I miss what Caitlin Cary helped him become when he was a degenerate high school drop out with so much poetry in his head, he would write five songs a day. Yes, maybe he was a heroin addict and a raging asshole, but my god, could he string words together back then.

Stephen Hyden highlighted a few of the unreleased songs that are on YouTube.

The Ryan Adams Conundrum: How Many Incredible Unreleased Albums Does He Have, and Does That Hurt the Ones That Do Come Out?

Frankly, a lot of his more recent stuff leaves me cold. I literally don't give a **** about any of the stuff he did with The Cardinals. Nor do I care for Halloweenhead, or even a lot of Ashes and Fire (although it was an improvement).

More than anything, I'm grateful that Adams essentially saved Jason Isbell's life and got him sober, because he's truly the best songwriter of his generation, and while Adams had the talent to claim that throne, Isbell had the attention span to actually hold onto it.

 

[Songbird]

because he's truly the best songwriter of his generation

Fiona Apple might have something to say about that.

 

[Shropshire Slasher]

Trying to resist a Summer of '69 joke... can't ...

 

[Dick Whitman]

I'm one of the better RA fans on this board, obviously. (Couple users probably lap me, but I'm up there.)

It's hard for me to view this objectively. Some of his stuff with Whiskeytown is some of my favorite stuff ever. Heartbreaker and Gold are almost modern classics, though I think both probably fall a little short of that distinction. As **** said, Faithless Street is one of the quintessential alt-country records. I don't know where they'd end up, but I think these 11 Ryan Adams songs would be in my Top 100 songs of all time.

-Houses on The Hill
-Jacksonville Skyline
-Bar Lights
-To Be Young
-Oh My Sweet Caroline
-Excuse Me While I Break My Own Heart
-Don't Wanna Know Why
-Dear Chicago
-Come Pick Me Up
-Firecracker (The Suicide Handbook version)
-Dance All Night

All that said, I think there is something missing that would make him worthy of a true music HOF. (I don't think we should factor in the Rock and Roll HOF because we all know it's a joke.) I admire Adams interest in taking risks, in goofing around with genres and with never doing exactly what people want him to be doing. The Taylor Swift thing was funny because he was actually sincere about it, and his cover of Welcome to New York and Wish You Would are genuinely great.

But... in truth, I miss the Adams who who wrote ****ing amazing songs in his 20s that were backed by a harmonica and a fiddle. I miss what Caitlin Cary helped him become when he was a degenerate high school drop out with so much poetry in his head, he would write five songs a day. Yes, maybe he was a heroin addict and a raging asshole, but my god, could he string words together back then.

Stephen Hyden highlighted a few of the unreleased songs that are on YouTube.

The Ryan Adams Conundrum: How Many Incredible Unreleased Albums Does He Have, and Does That Hurt the Ones That Do Come Out?

Frankly, a lot of his more recent stuff leaves me cold. I literally don't give a **** about any of the stuff he did with The Cardinals. Nor do I care for Halloweenhead, or even a lot of Ashes and Fire (although it was an improvement).

More than anything, I'm grateful that Adams essentially saved Jason Isbell's life and got him sober, because he's truly the best songwriter of his generation, and while Adams had the talent to claim that throne, Isbell had the attention span to actually hold onto it.

Todd Snider is.

 

[Mr. Sunshine]

I am.

 

[justgladtobehere]

Ryan Adams with the Cardinals in Dublin is a great show. It's somewhere on the Internet.

 

[Buck]

Ryan Adams’s 1989 and the mansplaining of Taylor Swift

 

[swingline]

I would rate Strangers Almanac as the best of Adams, maybe because it was my introduction to him the late '90s when I was deep into the weeds with all things alt-country. With Whiskeytown, he produced a special brand of music that he hasn't been able to, or tried to, capture since then.

Of his solo work, Rock N Roll, Gold and Heartbreaker come the closest to Adams realizing his potential, with Gold being my favorite of the bunch.

I think the problem with Adams is, if anything, he's too much into his own head, too absorbed with writing and making music and that too much of it seems recording for recording's sake. Being prolific is one thing, but being overly prolific means he releases a lot of music that's, basically, one listen and done.

 

[Chef2]

Bryan has a better chance.

 

[cjericho]

Trying to resist a Summer of '69 joke... can't ...

A buddy told me he gets a bit perturbed when people call out for Bryan Adams songs, even has asked security to remove hecklers.

 

[Dick Whitman]

It's difficult for me to fathom that a 19-year-old wrote a lament about how you "work your whole life for someone else."

 

[TheSportsPredictor]

A buddy told me he gets a bit perturbed when people call out for Bryan Adams songs, even has asked security to remove hecklers.

He used to. Not so much anymore.

He used to be miserable when performing. Turns out he had an inner ear disease and tinnitus which made him miserable when performing. He's been fine on stage since treating that.

Ryan Adams Opens Up About Tragic Ear Disease

 

[Mr. Sunshine]

Do you have .... nevermind. :)

 

[cjericho]

He used to. Not so much anymore.

He used to be miserable when performing. Turns out he had an inner ear disease and tinnitus which made him miserable when performing. He's been fine on stage since treating that.

Ryan Adams Opens Up About Tragic Ear Disease

Ahh. That sucks, feel bad for him now. thought he was just a humorless dickhead.

 

[Mr. Sunshine]

TSP or Ryan Adams?

 

[TheSportsPredictor]

Ahh. That sucks, feel bad for him now. thought he was just a humorless dickhead.

I've seen him four times. Once he was in a real good mood, joking with the audience. It was right after he started cleaning himself up, so he was feeling real good about himself. Another time was with The Cardinals, and it was real weird. They sat on stools and played their songs. Almost no noise at all in between songs. The group had headsets in and you could hear them whispering to each other. No interaction with the crowd at all. Another time he was getting into a little bit with a couple people in the crowd. Nothing like any of his infamous meltdowns, though. Last time a couple years ago he was touring with Butch Walker and all in a good mood.

Never saw him during his meltdown days.