Replay is getting worse

[poindexter]

Not better.
Baseball, football.

Scrap it all.

 

[playthrough]

Works great in tennis!

 

[heyabbott]

Works great in tennis!

It’s basically a real time replay and it’s a binary call.

 

[Driftwood]

In Saturday's Tennessee vs. South Carolina game, there were three touchdowns called on the field and then overturned and then a face mask where a dude about got his head torn off that wasn't called.
Don't be signalling touchdown because you know they'll go to the booth.
There needs to be something in place where someone can buzz the ref and let them know.
Either use replay or don't.
In a situation like the face mask no call when it's replayed on the big screen in stadium, I seriously don't know how log it's going to be before some college coach loses it and just punches an official.

 

[Inky_Wretch]

Works great in tennis!

And rugby.

 

[HanSenSE]

What I think about are the number of calls that, by rule, can't be reviewed. Not just last night, but the non-PI call in the Rams-Saints NFC championship game, or the hand pass in overtime of Game 3 of the Sharks-Blues Western Confeerence finals that led to San Jose's game-winning goal, to name a couple.

 

[DanOregon]

Replay has a place - I almost wonder if the powers that be want the long delay to **** off fans and make replay more trouble than its worth. Better to be accused of taking "too long" than making a snap decision. That said doing "make-up calls" would take a lot less time.

 

[bigpern23]

That play at third tonight as Alvarez clearly beat the throw and it was reviewed for five minutes before finally affirming the call was a perfect example of why replay sucks. After seeing three quick replays, if they couldn't see that he wasn't clearly out at the bag, they should have moved on.

And, frankly, even it had been clear that his front foot bounced up above the bag and he was tagged before the back foot touched it, I would have hated that call. That dude was so clearly safe, if they had ruled him out because his leg was 1/4-inch above the bag, it would have been bull****.

 

[swingline]

That dude was so clearly safe, if they had ruled him out because his leg was 1/4-inch above the bag, it would have been bull****.

That would be following the letter of the law but not its spirit.

 

[CD Boogie]

I floated the idea on the MLB thread, but I'd be interested to watch an NFL game without any replay. None for the fans or the officials, to go back to what it was before that historic Army-Navy game in 1964. Not because I'm against fairness, but to get back to how we played games as kids, even in high school. I realize it's pie in the sky, but I don't think baseball and football have ultimately benefited from it. Yes, there's a lot invested in getting the fairest outcome, but in games like football and baseball, where there is so many judgment calls, I believe the ultimate product suffers. Certain sports just don't have these concerns, including tennis, soccer, most Olympic sports. Unfortunately the nation's pastime and the most popular sport in the U.S. are saddled with it and I don't think it's going to improve. They opened that Pandora's box and it can't be closed. Ce la vie. I just get frustrated by the constant bitching. I was raised to never ***** about officiating, to focus on the next play. Fans and players nowadays have very little respect for officials, a largely thankless job.

BTW, this is a good read.

He Invented Instant Replay, The TV Trick We Now Take For Granted

 

[JC]

I hope when they take replays away from fans we can also go back to black and white TVs.

 

[GilGarrido]

I like it in baseball, though I'm sure the process could be tweaked somehow to improve it. I think the benefit of getting more calls right is worth the delays, and it seems like replay has reduced the amount of time managers spend arguing calls. One way of looking at it is to ask how many of the important and controversial calls over the years would have benefitted from replay. Armando Galarraga would have his perfect game, Jorge Orta would've been out and the Cardinals probably would've won the 1985 Series (granted, they still should have if they hadn't collapsed after the blown call), and Jeffrey Maier would be pretty much forgotten and the Orioles would've had a good chance of winning that ALCS game. Don't know if Ed Armbrister's getting tangled with Fisk in the 1975 Series would've been called interference, but I would've liked to know that someone was looking at the replay to get a better idea whether the call was right (and I assume the replay review wouldn't have taken any longer than the argument did). As a Braves fan, I'm sure Kent Hrbek's pushing Ron Gant off of first base in the 1991 Series would've been overturned, and I think there was a play in the 1992 Series in which one of the Braves' pitchers tagged a Blue Jay out at the plate with his glove while the ball was in his pitching hand. Eric Gregg's strike zone in the 1997 Braves-Marlins NLCS-clinching game couldn't have been reviewed, but modern technology would've given us a way to quantify how bad it was and might have led to some action. What other famous/important calls would or would not have been changed?

 

[justgladtobehere]

The problem with replay is that it is never considered by leagues in a basic, philosophical regard. When implemented, leagues had a certain idea of what they wanted, but never thought out consequences or articulated some limiting principles that explained what the league expected.

After allowing basic replay, every glaring mistake by league officials is met with the reaction that something has to be done, has to be changed. But just as its fashion, the NFL creates new rules without thinking it through or providing any guidance of what it thinks the rules or limits of replay should be. It won't be clear how the rule is being applied and it will increase the calls for more replay with the next **** up. And the league doesn't have a good reason to resist more replay.

Belichick had it right as always. Of you are going to allow some replay, it only makes sense to have all calls be reviewable. If you want to place some limits on replay, it's on you to explain reasons for the differences.

 

[Driftwood]

I'm watching Tennessee v. Kentucky. It's mid way of the third quarter. Tennessee has had three touchdowns called on the field called back because of replay.
Whether the reversal is right or wrong - two of the three have been clearly reversed - just dang. It's killing the enjoyment of the game.

 

[Driftwood]

Holy flippin goodness. Tennessee just had one that was ruled not a touchdown but reversed to a score.

 

[HanSenSE]

And now the NBA has a coaches challenge! A green light on the scorers' table (think the light on top of cop cars).