Remembering why I left the field

[Gold]

I've said this before but it bears repeating... if sports writing required a unique talent, sports writers would be getting a lot more money.

No, but good sports writing does.

a craft, not a talent

 

[JME]

I'd say it's 50-50. Working hard isn't going to make you a great writer if you don't have talent. Talent isn't going to make you great if you don't hone your craft.

 

[TheHacker]

Props to Mystery Meat and Ace for great points earlier in this thread. At my place I'm afraid to cut names out of submitted writeups because I don't want some parent calling and saying little Johnny's feelings were hurt because his name wasn't in the paper. And every week I get submitted reports that list off every kid on the team, even the ones who sat on the end of the bench picking their noses and played five minutes of garbage time. We don't do that for the high school stuff we cover in person, why should we do it for kiddie sports? And I don't know how many times I've gotten e-mails from people who want us to do stories, "because these kids work so hard." If there's a real angle, I'm all for it.

As someone else mentioned, we may see a lot more priority placed on youth coverage as the dynamics of the newspaper business change. If you want an example, check out the posting on J-jobs from the Lawrence (Kan.) Journal-World. Go to their site ... they've got a whole youth sports tab every week, from what it looks like. I wouldn't want any part of that.

 

[PEteacher]

Props to Mystery Meat and Ace for great points earlier in this thread. At my place I'm afraid to cut names out of submitted writeups because I don't want some parent calling and saying little Johnny's feelings were hurt because his name wasn't in the paper. And every week I get submitted reports that list off every kid on the team, even the ones who sat on the end of the bench picking their noses and played five minutes of garbage time. We don't do that for the high school stuff we cover in person, why should we do it for kiddie sports? And I don't know how many times I've gotten e-mails from people who want us to do stories, "because these kids work so hard." If there's a real angle, I'm all for it.

As someone else mentioned, we may see a lot more priority placed on youth coverage as the dynamics of the newspaper business change. If you want an example, check out the posting on J-jobs from the Lawrence (Kan.) Journal-World. Go to their site ... they've got a whole youth sports tab every week, from what it looks like. I wouldn't want any part of that.

Geez, they have a 20-plus-inch article on a sixth grader playing Knockout! Stay away....

 

[shotglass]

I've said this before but it bears repeating...  if sports writing required a unique talent, sports writers would be getting a lot more money.

Some people who are sports writers see sports, watch people go through the minor leagues and colleges working their way to the top professional ranks, and assume that sports writing is the same dynamic.

It ain't the way it is.  I don't know that there is that much difference between leaving the business as a writer or going on the desk and not writing - except being an editor in the sports department has lousy hours if you have a family. 

If it's a case of not being good enough to cut it, does that mean the writers who become editors "aren't good enough to cut it."  There are tons of writers for each position, but journalism organizations keep talking about "the crisis in copy editing"  There ain't no crisis, the suits don't want to pay the wage it takes to have a supply of good copy editors.

Don't know if I agree, Gold. At least from my personal experience, I don't.

When I was 25, I was a decent, but not great, writer. I looked at major-league gamers, major-college football gamers, columns, and I really wasn't sure if I had that final "turn of a phrase" necessary to be one of the big boys. But I did know I had some design skills. Thus, the decision to move to the desk was more or less a no-brainer for me. It provided the best chance for advancement, and my set of working skills had everything to do with it.

 

[HejiraHenry]

In 1995, I would interview for sporte editor jobs and the hiring editors would say, "You're a dandy writer, but you just haven't had enough desk experience."

In 2002, a hiring editor said, "Your desk skills are fine, but can you write?"

Whatever. I keep muddling along.

 

[2underpar]

seems to me what I hear from a lot of the posts on this particular thread are that many hacks are "too good" to cover youths/preps. There are a lot of folks out there who should check their egos at the door.
If you are at a smaller paper, and most newspapers in this country are small to mid-size dailys, covering a lot preps-youths comes with the territory. You might not like it, but bitching and whining ain't going to stop you from having to cover it.
Last time I checked, writing sports beat the hell out of a lot of other professions. And, if you half-ass it for me on the mundane stuff, you probably won't get too many primo assignments, and when you need that reference for your next job, that ain't happening either.

 

[flaming_mo]

seems to me what I hear from a lot of the posts on this particular thread are that many hacks are "too good" to cover youths/preps. There are a lot of folks out there who should check their egos at the door.
If you are at a smaller paper, and most newspapers in this country are small to mid-size dailys, covering a lot preps-youths comes with the territory. You might not like it, but bitching and whining ain't going to stop you from having to cover it.
Last time I checked, writing sports beat the hell out of a lot of other professions. And, if you half-ass it for me on the mundane stuff, you probably won't get too many primo assignments, and when you need that reference for your next job, that ain't happening either.

I'm not "too good" to do anything. But if I had to cover youth sports, I would find another job or another field of employment. That's not arrogance; that's just making life choices.

 

[shotglass]

seems to me what I hear from a lot of the posts on this particular thread are that many hacks are "too good" to cover youths/preps. There are a lot of folks out there who should check their egos at the door.
If you are at a smaller paper, and most newspapers in this country are small to mid-size dailys, covering a lot preps-youths comes with the territory. You might not like it, but bitching and whining ain't going to stop you from having to cover it.
Last time I checked, writing sports beat the hell out of a lot of other professions. And, if you half-ass it for me on the mundane stuff, you probably won't get too many primo assignments, and when you need that reference for your next job, that ain't happening either.

I think you need to remember that none of us, when we were 16-year-olds, planned to become sportswriters so we could cover other 16-year-olds in a Legion baseball tournament. If we had the dream back then, I'm pretty sure the dream was to be covering something bigger and better. Sure, reality takes over, but don't begrudge people their aspirations.

 

[Tom Petty]

does anyone really enjoy attending those youth soccer camps and **** like that?

i covered one babe ruth district championship doubleheader, once.

i showed up with a photographer and the parents were assholes to both of us because we didn't 'put enough youth sports in the paper,' the coaches were assholes for the same reason and the kids all acted as if the paper owed them coverage. they asked for us to throw them a bone, we threw it and they acted like pricks because we did what they asked.

bottom line: the only people who care about youth sports are the parents, which is a vast minority of readers.

 

[Tom Petty]

In 1995, I would interview for sporte editor jobs and the hiring editors would say, "You're a dandy writer, but you just haven't had enough desk experience."

In 2002, a hiring editor said, "Your desk skills are fine, but can you write?"

Whatever. I keep muddling along.

what size of papers were you sending resumes to?

 

[buckweaver]

seems to me what I hear from a lot of the posts on this particular thread are that many hacks are "too good" to cover youths/preps. There are a lot of folks out there who should check their egos at the door.
If you are at a smaller paper, and most newspapers in this country are small to mid-size dailys, covering a lot preps-youths comes with the territory. You might not like it, but bitching and whining ain't going to stop you from having to cover it.
Last time I checked, writing sports beat the hell out of a lot of other professions. And, if you half-ass it for me on the mundane stuff, you probably won't get too many primo assignments, and when you need that reference for your next job, that ain't happening either.

I think you need to remember that none of us, when we were 16-year-olds, planned to become sportswriters so we could cover other 16-year-olds in a Legion baseball tournament. If we had the dream back then, I'm pretty sure the dream was to be covering something bigger and better. Sure, reality takes over, but don't begrudge people their aspirations.

You're absolutely right, Shottie. But I also think that people in this business -- or any other -- easily seem to forget that there's a limited supply of silver spoons in the cabinet. And chances are, you ain't gettin' one.

This isn't a criticism, just an observation of the way it seems to be:

It just seems that most people getting their start in the business, where you're more likely to be getting a prep or youth sports beat, don't realize that if you want to work at a bigger and higher and (ideally) better level, you've got to perform at a better and higher level. I don't know if it's something about a J-school education, or if it's just a skewed sense of entitlement, or a selfish this-is-our-society thing, that makes people think they "deserve" a major metro job before they've even done anything.

Thing is, our jobs -- and most jobs -- aren't really a turn-the-switch-on kind of thing. If you're going to work hard when you get to cover the Super Bowl, then you really should be working hard when you're covering that prep gamer too. Everybody has their off nights, but the great ones (there's always exceptions) give their best effort on most every assignment. So if your aspirations are high enough to want to work a big beat at a major metro, and that's great, then the best thing you can do to get there is by working hard at whatever beat you're in now. And making connections. And getting lucky. And being in right place/right time. And keeping your eyes/ears open. ... You can't just slack off, slack off, slack off ... then get a big assignment and turn it on. You can't just "so work at the Plain Dealer, dammit." You gotta get there first -- and part of getting there is by kicking ass before you get there.

I think everyone KNOWS this. But it's gotta be reflected in what you do, too. Meaning ... don't whine about covering youth sports; kick ass in it.

 

[buckweaver]

that's why ... as i posted on another thread ... there's never a good reason (other than the big bosses telling you to) to COVER a youth game or run league standings, etc., when you're ont he youth sports beat. frankly, it helps perpetuate the idea that people (coughpsychoparentscough) should take youth sports as seriously as a lot of them do. the reality is, the results of a 10-year-old's rec-league game are not important. and if you think they are, you're taking it for more than what it is: kids playing games. no more, no less. ... that doesn't mean you shouldn't take the BEAT seriously. after all, it is your job. ... but let the kids have fun. they can all use more of that.

If you get any latitude at all from the corner office, take advantage of it and go FIND your stories and spend your time writing those. write features, write profiles, write columns, write enterprise. do not write gamers (and do not rely on kids for quotes); it doesn't do you any good and (most) parents won't ***** as long as you're putting some effort into the coverage ... and finding other ways to, yes, get names into the paper (such as submitted team photos, etc., which you don't have to do much legwork on.) Because that's what local coverage is all about: getting names in the paper. and covering the community.

but more importantly, if you find and write interesting stories in and about the community -- at least in my experience -- (most) readers will respect and appreciate that. you'll get some grief -- you'll always get some grief in this biz -- but you'll get more out of that youth sports beat and so will the readers.

and then ... you get to move on to bigger and better. ideally. ;D

 

[txsportsscribe]

having just assumed the big chair at my little rag, i'd love to change things to where the individual accomplishments and team scores were secondary when it comes to youth sports. just seems we're making kids grow up too quickly when so much importance is placed on the final score of a little league or junior high game. i like the once-a-week youth sports page idea and the team photo idea but, keeping in mind that seeing little jack or jill in the paper (or just their name) equates to increased single-copy newspaper sales that make a big difference for many, many small papers, how do you handle the team that just won a big tournament (in their eyes) and submits not only the scores but their version of a gamer? also, at our paper, youth football league coaches submit reports that generally were turned into a paragraph per team per game and run once a week simply to fill space and make people happy. we also have regularly run middle school "gamers" from e-mails sent by coaches, as well as freshman and junior varsity games, often with photos because i had the time to stop buy and snap a few shots. at what age/grade do games become true events to cover with staff gamers and photos? i would think parents would rather see a team photo than simply a name on a story but you never know. i'm open to suggestions.

 

[wisportswriter]

Our paper (approx. 30K circ.) just did a market survey and at the very bottom -- I mean the very bottom -- of a loooong list of topics important to our readers was youth sports.
That noise you just heard was the skin on my face tearing from the widest smile of my life.

The biggest problem with youth sports (a**hole parents aside) is there are a million different T-ball, soccer, softball, etc. tournaments in a summer. You cover one in any way, shape or form, and everybody else wants the same.

Youth sports belong on photo pages in the Lifestyles section.

 

[Mystery_Meat]

The kids, in my experiences, have been fine to talk to. You have to get them away from their retard parents who want to make the story about them. Yeah, congratulations, Mr. and Mrs. Superstar Parents, you managed to produce a kid that overcame the both of you and did something with his life, now let me talk to him while you play with this red ball.

The problem, of course, is that with rare exceptions (like wisportswriter's), you don't get detailed surveys that detail what people want to see and not want to see. What you get is bosses taking the temperature of the community through the most inaccurate means known to man — the call-ins. If two people complain about lack of U-6 Ladybugs soccer coverage and one person complains about lack of NBA Finals coverage, well, guess what the community wants more of? Good luck explaining to them that people calling in don't represent the readership at large, though.

In my shop, I'm going to have photographers shoot random baseball and soccer tournaments every week. But even at a weekly paper, don't expect me to pop a boner over your kid's game. Not happening. Even at a place my size, I have a better grasp of what the community wants than you, ya heard?

 

[Flash]

I guess I've been lucky. I haven't had to deal with the asshole parents on a regular basis the way a lot of people seem to have. Not saying there haven't been any but they've been few and far between. Parents, in my world covered by rose-coloured glasses, have been gracious, helpful and, yes, even grateful.

 

[farmerjerome]

I left the field in February purely based on principle (I won't go into the details, but I'd had enough of a bad situation).

I miss it. I loved the prep beat more than anything else, and I still look at how my old 'beat' teams are doing. In fact, I dragged myself out of bed at 7 a.m. yesterday to watch a team that I covered for five seasons win a state title.

The only thing that sucks is that now when I go to games, bored out of my mind. I'm so used to keeping track of the action that I can't enjoy myself.

 

[Cosmo]

having just assumed the big chair at my little rag, i'd love to change things to where the individual accomplishments and team scores were secondary when it comes to youth sports. just seems we're making kids grow up too quickly when so much importance is placed on the final score of a little league or junior high game. i like the once-a-week youth sports page idea and the team photo idea but, keeping in mind that seeing little jack or jill in the paper (or just their name) equates to increased single-copy newspaper sales that make a big difference for many, many small papers, how do you handle the team that just won a big tournament (in their eyes) and submits not only the scores but their version of a gamer? also, at our paper, youth football league coaches submit reports that generally were turned into a paragraph per team per game and run once a week simply to fill space and make people happy. we also have regularly run middle school "gamers" from e-mails sent by coaches, as well as freshman and junior varsity games, often with photos because i had the time to stop buy and snap a few shots. at what age/grade do games become true events to cover with staff gamers and photos? i would think parents would rather see a team photo than simply a name on a story but you never know. i'm open to suggestions.

When do games become true events? High school varsity. Does anybody in the community at large say, "boy, I want to go to Queefrag High's JV game tonight. That oughta be bonkers!" No way. High school varsity football? Hell yes. That's a big deal that draws people from the community in an event-like setting. More people than just the parents care. Same for high school basketball.

That's where I have a problem with giving lots of coverage to minor sports. No, retard mom, I don't give a **** that your precious little ****bag of a soccer player "works just as hard as the football players." It's not about rewarding hard work. It's about using my resources on something the people in my community care about. When there are 30 people at said soccer game, and all 30 are parents, that tells me that NO ONE CARES. So why should the paper? Get the scores in through a call-in, write a couple of grafs for your roundup. That's all it deserves.

Soccer/softball/cross country do not deserve the same REGULAR SEASON coverage as football and basketball, and you will never convince me otherwise. The public doesn't care about these sports. There are obvious exceptions (the huge XC invite that draws 50 schools and a ton of people to town, etc.). But that's it.

 

[Flash]

Does anyone base their coverage on a loose formula of how many people attend an event?

Say 4,000 show up for the Saturday night stock car races but only 800 show up for university women's basketball. Do you ditch university hoops for the races?