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Original link's not working. Here's a Time blog entry on it:

http://swampland.time.com/2011/11/04/why-does-michigans-anti-bullying-bill-protect-religious-tormenters/?xid=rss-topstories

Appalled by the story, and confused about Time's title for the blog. Swampland makes me think of long-form writing about the Gators.
 
So, for those keeping score ... I can go to the Wisconsin State House and bring a camera in and get myself arrested. Then, after I get released, I can go back there with a gun and watch them treat middle class workers like ****, but I can't actually use the gun.

In my frustration, I can drive over to Michigan, and, find a really rich person like Henry Clay Ford, take out my frustration on him for being the only idiot owner in the NFL who is losing money by pistol-whipping him, because I have a "sincere moral conviction" that rich people shouldn't drive public trusts into the ground (their current record not withstanding), and it's all legal, except for my camera crime?

Sheesh.
 
Yes, because if gay kids can't be bullied, the "homosexual agenda" wins. ::)
 
Imagine the surprise of the Michigan state legislature when the eventual bullied gay kid gets a gun and blows away a few of his tormentors. Deny people legal redress for being wronged, sooner or later one will take illegal redress.
 
Baron Scicluna said:
So, for those keeping score ... I can go to the Wisconsin State House and bring a camera in and get myself arrested. Then, after I get released, I can go back there with a gun and watch them treat middle class workers like ****, but I can't actually use the gun.

In my frustration, I can drive over to Michigan, and, find a really rich person like Henry Clay Ford, take out my frustration on him for being the only idiot owner in the NFL who is losing money by pistol-whipping him, because I have a "sincere moral conviction" that rich people shouldn't drive public trusts into the ground (their current record not withstanding), and it's all legal, except for my camera crime?

Sheesh.

You cannot bring guns into a government building.
 
The law seems unconstitutional to me, but its backers will attempt to hide behind the first amendment. I don't have the language in front of me, but I'd like to know what the statute defines as "harassment."
 
Michael_ Gee said:
Imagine the surprise of the Michigan state legislature when the eventual bullied gay kid gets a gun and blows away a few of his tormentors. Deny people legal redress for being wronged, sooner or later one will take illegal redress.

This.

Emphatically this.
 
Mizzougrad96 said:
Baron Scicluna said:
So, for those keeping score ... I can go to the Wisconsin State House and bring a camera in and get myself arrested. Then, after I get released, I can go back there with a gun and watch them treat middle class workers like ****, but I can't actually use the gun.

In my frustration, I can drive over to Michigan, and, find a really rich person like Henry Clay Ford, take out my frustration on him for being the only idiot owner in the NFL who is losing money by pistol-whipping him, because I have a "sincere moral conviction" that rich people shouldn't drive public trusts into the ground (their current record not withstanding), and it's all legal, except for my camera crime?

Sheesh.

You cannot bring guns into a government building.

Did you miss this in Wisconsin?

http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/capitol-to-allow-concealed-weapons-assembly-to-allow-them-on-the-floor-132656308.html

Or Florida?

http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/2011/11/you_can_take_your_gun_to_miami.php
 
The actual bill is here: http://www.legislature.mi.gov/documents/2011-2012/billengrossed/Senate/htm/2011-SEBS-0137.htm

It's call "Matt's Safe School Law," though the father of Matt, a teenager who killed himself after bullying has disavowed it.

There are two passages that would seem to limit the law's effectiveness.

THIS SECTION DOES NOT ABRIDGE THE RIGHTS UNDER THE FIRST AMENDMENT OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OR UNDER ARTICLE I OF THE STATE CONSTITUTION OF 1963 OF A SCHOOL EMPLOYEE, SCHOOL VOLUNTEER, PUPIL, OR A PUPIL'S PARENT OR GUARDIAN. THIS SECTION DOES NOT PROHIBIT A STATEMENT OF A SINCERELY HELD RELIGIOUS BELIEF OR MORAL CONVICTION OF A SCHOOL EMPLOYEE, SCHOOL VOLUNTEER, PUPIL, OR A PUPIL'S PARENT OR GUARDIAN.

In theory, a great thing. Why get into the business of restricting speech? But I see why this is being taken as a guidebook on how to get away with bullying. As long as you have a sincerely held religious reason why you're calling someone a homo, or a ****in' ****, or all sorts or racist terms, you're good. By the way, given the large Muslim population in the Detroit area, I can't wait to hear what community reaction would be to someone who accused a Muslim student of bullying because of terms related to others being infidels. I read where a bill sponsor said this wasn't "intended" as a means to give cover to student who told another that he or she was going to hell, but that sponsor, of all people, should know what paves the road to said hell.

Here is another passage that's problematic:

"AT SCHOOL" MEANS IN A CLASSROOM, ELSEWHERE ON SCHOOL PREMISES, ON A SCHOOL BUS OR OTHER SCHOOL-RELATED VEHICLE, OR AT A
SCHOOL-SPONSORED ACTIVITY OR EVENT WHETHER OR NOT IT IS HELD ON SCHOOL PREMISES. "AT SCHOOL" INCLUDES CONDUCT USING A
TELECOMMUNICATIONS ACCESS DEVICE OR TELECOMMUNICATIONS SERVICE
PROVIDER THAT OCCURS OFF SCHOOL PREMISES IF THE TELECOMMUNICATIONS
ACCESS DEVICE OR THE TELECOMMUNICATIONS SERVICE PROVIDER IS OWNED
BY OR UNDER THE CONTROL OF THE SCHOOL DISTRICT OR PUBLIC SCHOOL
ACADEMY.

Legally, schools can't police Facebook, Twitter and texting, and I'm not sure it's enforceable even if they could. The best bet, if you will, to track bullying that way is to see if that off-hours stuff leads to fights at school. My son's high school principal said his frustration with all of that is that kids are spending their time away from school busting each other, and that leads to fights and tension when they step onto campus together. So the only way someone can report bullying when it comes to that stuff is if it happens to occur during the school day.
 
Michael_ Gee said:
Imagine the surprise of the Michigan state legislature when the eventual bullied gay kid gets a gun and blows away a few of his tormentors. Deny people legal redress for being wronged, sooner or later one will take illegal redress.

Imagine the surprise of the legislature when a group of Muslims beat up a Christian kid, then claim they have the right to do so.
 
Baron Scicluna said:
Michael_ Gee said:
Imagine the surprise of the Michigan state legislature when the eventual bullied gay kid gets a gun and blows away a few of his tormentors. Deny people legal redress for being wronged, sooner or later one will take illegal redress.

Imagine the surprise of the legislature when a group of Muslims beat up a Christian kid, then claim they have the right to do so.

Beating people up is for Christians ...
 
THIS SECTION DOES NOT ABRIDGE THE RIGHTS UNDER THE FIRST AMENDMENT OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OR UNDER ARTICLE I OF THE STATE CONSTITUTION OF 1963 OF A SCHOOL EMPLOYEE, SCHOOL VOLUNTEER, PUPIL, OR A PUPIL'S PARENT OR GUARDIAN. THIS SECTION DOES NOT PROHIBIT A STATEMENT OF A SINCERELY HELD RELIGIOUS BELIEF OR MORAL CONVICTION OF A SCHOOL EMPLOYEE, SCHOOL VOLUNTEER, PUPIL, OR A PUPIL'S PARENT OR GUARDIAN.

So kids are specifically authorized to beat up (gays)(blacks)(jews)(mooslims)(hippies)(catholics)(asians)(whatever) not only if they themselves have a "sincerely held religious belief or moral conviction" to do so, but if their beer-drinking Ku Klux Klan daddy at home (or the stinky school janitor with Nazi tattoos up and down his arms) tells them HE believes it's OK.


Where are the jobs, wingnuts?
 

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