Mlive: Letting parents cost their kids scholarships

[Moderator1]

Saw this online, found it, well, interesting for lack of a better word

Mlive tells readers that it isn't going to deal with high school game stories any more. No calls, no e-mails, nothing. If teams want to see their results online, they have to sign up, enter the stats themselves and write their own story.
How do I report high school sports results? It's changed, slightly - MLive.com
Day old, 3 days old, a week: it doesn't matter. At playoff time and they want the hits to count, they'll take over. "When the state tournaments arrive, we will revert to single-game reporting."
Already, the stories include:
Birch Run wins another important conference game led by Madison Enderle's 4 goals.
Reese Track and Field Wins Double Conference Title
PIONEER PULLS HARD AT MIDWEST REGIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS

 

[MisterCreosote]

This is the greatest lede I've ever read:

The weather was sketchy at times tonight, but our kids were prepared both physically as well as mentally. They were ready to tangle with the best the GTC West could offer.

 

[Dick Whitman]

I covered primarily preps for six years at a paper. Now that I'm just a reader, I'm often surprised at how wall-to-wall they cover local preps, even the non-revenue sports. I have friends who have children in high school sports now, and there's no way that even they demand the level of coverage provided, let alone the average sports reader. (It's not that different than from my day - but I was in the eye of the storm then, so I wasn't able to take the view from 30,000 feet that I am now.)

I think the paper always recognized that sports costs a lot of money to cover for the amount of readership it actually brings into the paper, so preps is a cheap way to fill a sports section.

This new Ann Arbor News approach goes one step further. Frankly, this might give the people actually interested in preps coverage - friends and family - exactly the coverage they want, for little or no cost to the paper.

I wouldn't do it, because I think that papers should still have a responsibility to practice journalism, and this isn't that. But I understand it.

In 99 percent of markets, big and small, I'd probably just nearly eliminate preps coverage, or cut it to the bone.

 

[Dick Whitman]

This is the greatest lede I've ever read:

The weather was sketchy at times tonight, but our kids were prepared both physically as well as mentally. They were ready to tangle with the best the GTC West could offer.

Hell, that's not far off from what you get at some/most local papers anyway.

 

[Alma]

I covered primarily preps for six years at a paper. Now that I'm just a reader, I'm often surprised at how wall-to-wall they cover local preps, even the non-revenue sports. I have friends who have children in high school sports now, and there's no way that even they demand the level of coverage provided, let alone the average sports reader. (It's not that different than from my day - but I was in the eye of the storm then, so I wasn't able to take the view from 30,000 feet that I am now.)

I think the paper always recognized that sports costs a lot of money to cover for the amount of readership it actually brings into the paper, so preps is a cheap way to fill a sports section.

This new Ann Arbor News approach goes one step further. Frankly, this might give the people actually interested in preps coverage - friends and family - exactly the coverage they want, for little or no cost to the paper.

I wouldn't do it, because I think that papers should still have a responsibility to practice journalism, and this isn't that. But I understand it.

In 99 percent of markets, big and small, I'd probably just nearly eliminate preps coverage, or cut it to the bone.

I disagree with your approach and most certainly with MLive's approach.

Long-term, a newspaper's value - to anyone - is some consistency and fidelity to reporting sports events you can't see on ESPN. You may not get that much readership for one sporting event, but tracking metrics in that regard is a little misleading; over time, you want readers to understand that the product is going to be consistently local and interesting and something they can't get anywhere else. And then you have to sell the value of local just as you would with farm-to-table restaurants. Increasingly, people want a narrative for their discretionary purchasing choices - they seek connection in consumerism because they lack it in other realms of life - and though it isn't sexy or necessarily making money hand over fist, that approach works. You can't cut everything to the bone and leave yourself with a paper full of wire material.

The Advance approach is foolishness. I'll predict that, long-term, it won't work, that parents and fans won't come through, and what'll be left is just rank mediocrity in preps coverage. Which saves money on the front end but will lose opportunities at more money on the back end.

The challenge is getting your reporters to wholeheartedly engage all fronts of the new media, and advertising to follow in that approach. Hard to do.

 

[Dick Whitman]

I wouldn't have a paper full of wire material. I just wouldn't have much of a sports section at all.

 

[I Should Coco]

It’s simple to register, enter results, update records, and even post a story about your team. A coach can designate an assistant coach or parent to enter results as well.

This sounds great in theory, but in practice, you're going to get biased "stories" at best, with inaccurate information the most likely outcome.

 

[LongTimeListener]

It's going to be great when the paper gets in the middle of a blood feud between the point guard's and small forward's moms because one of them is writing the stories and consistently fails to mention the other kid.

 

[steveu]

Since this is my shop, I thought I'd step in and clarify what is going on. We are encouraging coaches to submit their own scores. We've always had the option to have someone sign up as a "community reporter" and write something.

What we are doing is contacting the spring coaches once a week and writing stories as well. The stories are either a look back at the week that was, the week ahead (a preview of an important tournament or big game) or a profile/feature on an athlete.

Each paper's reporters also write their own material. They are encouraged to cover games and tournaments as well.

Hope this helps. PM me if you have any questions or concerns or just state them here.

 

[boundforboston]

This sounds great in theory, but in practice, you're going to get biased "stories" at best, with inaccurate information the most likely outcome.

Wikipedia is a legitimate source of information. This will work well. [/bluefont]

This thread will get hijacked by the game stories are irrelevant folks in 3, 2, 1...

 

[Matt Stephens]

When we started looking hard at web metrics three years ago and realized how little preps was being read online, we changed things up quite a bit. We'll still cover every high school football game, but unless it's a crosstown game, we don't send a reporter. We still take calls for roundups. We've learned as long as we send a photographer to at least one game to compliment a roundup and byline the story, readers haven't noticed the difference in print. Plus, it does better online than individual gamers. When state tournament time comes, we go all out, "making up for" (so to speak) what we didn't do during the regular season.

But this MLive approach takes things to a new level. I've never lived in that area of the country and don't know how big of a deal preps are there, but if you're not in the south, the majority of readers don't care.

 

[Ace]

One thing that has been reinforced over and over through my career in journalism -- most people can't write worth a damn.

 

[FileNotFound]

One thing that has been reinfored over and over through my career in journalism -- most people can't write worth a damn.

Including many who do so for a living.

 

[MTM]

Even when I covered preps, I questioned the value. There was no way I would not cover them, but I knew most of my readers were more interested in the Detroit Tigers than the Hometown High Tigers.

Coverage is best in local one- or two-town papers. In my regional paper, there are too many articles from schools far away from my community. I will read a feature, but never a wrestling or water polo game article from 45 mile Away High vs. 38 mile Away Prep. Heck, even for the local school that my son attends, I only read football and scan other sports to see if any kids I know are mentioned.

 

[JackReacher]

So a writer wrote that lead MC quoted? I assumed that was a community reporter (parent).

 

[Ace]

I really don't see how this will work. I would write up little items on my son's high school wrestling team for the weekly PTA newsletter. I would keep it short and fair and include photos I took with my cell phone. Other parents complained that wrestling items had photos every week.

 

[MisterCreosote]

So a writer wrote that lead MC quoted? I assumed that was a community reporter (parent).

No. According to the byline, "Superfan" wrote that.

I guess they treat bylines like the backs of XFL jerseys.

 

[Padre]

Hell, that's not far off from what you get at some/most local papers anyway.

Thanks, ****.

 

[Dick Whitman]

Thanks, ****.

I would say that if you give a damn enough to visit a site like this, then you give a damn enough not to turn out bad work, so don't take it personally. A lot of preps writing is terrible. A lot of sports writing is terrible, generally. A lot of my preps and sports writing was terrible. A lot of inexperienced people cover preps at local papers. That's part of it.

 

[Alma]

I wouldn't have a paper full of wire material. I just wouldn't have much of a sports section at all.

Right. That's flawed/misguided.