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That's the take from Harper's.

How Men Became "Emotional Gold Diggers" — Men Have No Friends and Women Bear the Burden

There are men on here. Is this true? Do you find this to be true? And, if so, do you find it to be true due to toxic masculinity?

As the story progresses, it's interesting: It kinda/sorta argues men should process things...just like women. And have friends for the same purposes women do. And that, in doing such, one of the big net benefits is to the men's partners, who are women.

Shame, Brené Brown found in her years of research, is the single biggest cause of toxic masculinity. Whereas women experience shame when they fail to meet unrealistic, conflicting expectations, men become consumed with shame for showing signs of weakness. Since vulnerability is, unfortunately, still perceived as a weakness instead of a strength, having hard conversations that involve vulnerability is something men often try to avoid. It’s for this reason that to yield positive results from men’s support groups, men must enter such groups with that very intention—not just to find buddies.

Whether they’re members of small groups like Shepherd’s or more mainstream groups like Stephen’s, the men I spoke to all agreed on one thing: that these groups made them better partners to the women in their lives. And it’s not just men saying this. I witnessed my friend Liz’s marriage strengthen after her husband, Randy, co-founded a men’s group with his best friend three years ago that offers a confidential, neutral space for men in their isolated New England town to share their fears without judgment.

This isn’t him going to grab a beer with guys. He’s going to find psychological and emotional support from men who understand his problems,” Liz explains. “They’re not just getting together to have a ***** fest, gossip, or complain about their lives. They’re super intentional about what they’re talking about, why, and what’s important to them.”

I found the prescriptive - to not be an emotional gold digger, do friendship this way - a little alarming.
 
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I've personally blamed Clint Eastwood movies for my generation's inability/reluctance to share emotions/feelings - but do I get credit that I did it when I was talking to a therapist?
 
I'm trying to come up with a deeper pit of hell than a "men's support group."

Well, maybe Harper's would say it's OK to have beer at it. So long as having the beer never got in the way of the support.
 
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“Whenever it’s time for the men’s group to meet at one of our houses, the wives clear out, toting their kids and babies behind so the guys can have a private space to do this important work,” says Liz

Something tells me 20% of these meetings happen around 1 or 4:30 pm on Sunday.
 
My approach to life has been I’m secure in my manliness whatever it may be; I wear “female” colors (pink, pastels,), I am not afraid to cry, I admit I have fears. I was lucky, my mom is/was a rock, she’s 5’ 100 lbs but she took sh*t from no one, even though she was a young divorcee in the 60s/70s who was also a chinese immigrant with only a HS diploma after running from the Japanese army in WWII. My sister was strong too so that’s all I knew.

If the groups give men an outlet to share their weaknesses and get stronger great. I’m all for it.
 
I'm trying to come up with a deeper pit of hell than a "men's support group." I'm not finding one, except maybe a men's group that involves drumming.

I'm in a men's support group, there's about 16 of us and we meet every Saturday morning for four hours, weather permitting. There's some anger, some happiness, some regrets. Then we turn in our scorecards and go home.
 
Men have no friends? I'll have to tell that to my buddies the next time I see them. I'm on a group text with like 12 guys I see regularly who live in my neighborhood. We play golf, get drinks, have parties (with and without wives and girlfriends) and we watch sports together. We'll also talk about books, GOT, movies or whatever, both in the texts or in person. Two of these guys are vets and suffer from PTSD. And we've talked about it. Another is about to get divorced. Yeah, we don't spill everything, but it's not like we don't address tough topics at all.

The headline is ridiculous. I like the waving palm trees on the deserted island, though. Props to the art director.
 
Oh for ****'s sake.

Men have no friends ... but Randy and his BEST FRIEND founded the men's group that turned around his life.

I'll be honest: I read the piece as not-particularly-subtle social engineering by the end of it.

I do think there's an issue with male loneliness in our culture, in part because that's our world today, in part because men are given fairly persistent messages that, compared to women, they're the most awful, unproductive things and in part because, I suspect, men do more parenting and spousal support than before, and that takes time, focus and effort that, for example, my father, like many of my generation's fathers, not only didn't give but never thought to give.

So I can see the idea of men feeling isolated - and turning to their partners for processing - as a thing to examine.

The idea that men aren't friends in the right way? That's an odd one.
 
Please let’s not buy into that crap that men (in US) are victimized and put upon nowadays. Men (we) have it so much better than women and it’s not even close. Just look at who make all the major decisions either on a macro or micro level.

As for friends, I have great groups of friends, professional group, social group. We may not shed tears together or delve into our problems but if I’ve got a problem I will share with the close inner friends if need be.
 
I do think there's an issue with male loneliness in our culture, in part because that's our world today, in part because men are given fairly persistent messages that, compared to women, they're the most awful, unproductive things and in part because, I suspect, men do more parenting and spousal support than before, and that takes time, focus and effort that, for example, my father, like many of my generation's fathers, not only didn't give but never thought to give.

There's an issue with loneliness - period - in our culture.

Input is output. If anybody - male or female - isn't making an effort to keep and maintain friendships with other others with whom they can have big, deep conversations then they have not put forth the effort to BE a real friend to somebody else.
 
There's an issue with loneliness - period - in our culture.

Input is output. If anybody - male or female - isn't making an effort to keep and maintain friendships with other others with whom they can have big, deep conversations then they have not put forth the effort to BE a real friend to somebody else.

Now, maybe I’m reading it wrong, but the first graf and second don’t really jibe. If loneliness is an issue in culture, how can it simulataneously be a matter of complete agency?

If loneliness is solved by competency/willingness in friendship, is it actually a thing?
 
Please let’s not buy into that crap that men (in US) are victimized and put upon nowadays. Men (we) have it so much better than women and it’s not even close.

I didn’t write men have it worse than women, although I’m not sure macro decision-making control (I don’t know what you mean by micro) is a prime quality of life metric. But, anyway, what I wrote was men are given a persistent message that they are awful compared to women. (To some extent, this is true!) That messaging figures into an overall repressed/depressed male culture, since there are diminishing spaces where men can process, even oppose, such persistent messages.

If men are awful, do they have any right to be in need?
 
I marvel at the problem society has with loneliness.
Social media was supposed to be curative for this, or at least that's how its been presented by its creators.
 

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