Japan Surrendered 75 Years Ago Today

[Liut]

Ah, but who gives a ****. Gotta live in the now. That is where the ratings and clicks are.

 

[hondo]

They could have surrendered weeks before Hiroshima and Nagasaki. It was obvious but no, let's hold on to that "fight to the death" nonsense. The A-bomb deaths are on their leaders.

 

[britwrit]

Sad to say, the sobering thing for me is that I remember the big celebrations for the 50th like it was yesterday.

 

[DanOregon]

Listened to a Malcolm Gladwell podcast - he said that people in Japan view in the way the war ended for Japan was a blessing. If it dragged out longer Russia would have been more involved and taken a bigger chunk of East Asia, and McArthur helped keep the country on its feet before winter set in and get the industries back on line quickly.

 

[TigerVols]

As I’ve recounted around these here parts before, my combat photographer daddy was aboard the Missouri on the second most important “signing day” in history.

 

[Liut]

As I’ve recounted around these here parts before, my combat photographer daddy was aboard the Missouri on “signing day.”

Love it!

 

[Liut]

Listened to a Malcolm Gladwell podcast - he said in hindsight the way the war ended for Japan was a blessing. If it dragged out longer Russia would have been more involved and taken a bigger chunk of East Asia, and McArthur helped keep the country on its feet before winter set in and get the industries back on line quickly.

Author Ian Toll has a book coming out in which he claims the Soviet invasion of Manchuria (the same day as Nagasaki, though there is time difference) was the final straw for Japan.

 

[Deskgrunt50]

As I’ve recounted around these here parts before, my combat photographer daddy was aboard the Missouri on the second most important “signing day” in history.

Wow. That’s great.

I didn’t know until a visit to Pearl Harbor several years ago that the Missouri was brought out of retirement in the 80s. Served in the Gulf War. It was something to see the surrender memorial on the deck and early Apple computers inside.

 

[Alma]

Ah, but who gives a ****. Gotta live in the now. That is where the ratings and clicks are.

Doesn’t have anything to do with the now. Has to do with it being something America did well.

Americans have to be publicly ashamed of their history, and the media is wise not to remind us of triumph.

 

[Deskgrunt50]

Doesn’t have anything to do with the now. Has to do with it being something America did well.

Americans have to be publicly ashamed of their history, and the media is wise not to remind us of triumph.

This is really dumb. Do better.

 

[Alma]

This is really dumb. Do better.

Not really. We do have a pandemic. That’s fair. It needs to take up our attention.

But these are feel-bad times on the American history front.

 

[JC]

Doesn’t have anything to do with the now. Has to do with it being something America did well.

Americans have to be publicly ashamed of their history, and the media is wise not to remind us of triumph.

Yes, because if there is any Americans don’t do well it’s let the world know how great they are. You sound like a fanboy who believes his team was screwed by the refs.

 

[Deskgrunt50]

Not really. We do have a pandemic. That’s fair. It needs to take up our attention.

But these are feel-bad times on the American history front.

Americans love American history. And it was a pretty good conversation that was starting here before you dropped in with your usual dumbassery.

 

[Alma]

Yes, because if there is any Americans don’t do well it’s let the world know how great they are.

At this point in time? At this moment? Americans excel in grieving at how bad their country is and has been.

There’s no reflected piety points to be gained by loving it. Nor are there any points to be gained by considering what “America” even is, beyond the place where everyone else wants to come - and damn well should be able to come to, whenever and however they please - but none of us should be proud to live in.

 

[Alma]

Americans love American history. And it was a pretty good conversation that was starting here before you dropped in with your usual dumbassery.

I believe I know the spirit in which the thread was started and I was commenting on that.

But you’re right about the other discussion.

 

[User 150927]

Doesn’t have anything to do with the now. Has to do with it being something America did well.

Americans have to be publicly ashamed of their history, and the media is wise not to remind us of triumph.

JFC. Stop

 

[JC]

At this point in time? At this moment? Americans excel in grieving at how bad their country is and has been.

There’s no reflected piety points to be gained by loving it. Nor are there any points to be gained by considering what “America” even is, beyond the place where everyone else wants to come - and damn well should be able to come to, whenever and however they please - but none of us should be proud to live in.

You sound like the poor beaten down white men. American lives matter too

 

[Starman]

Listened to a Malcolm Gladwell podcast - he said that people in Japan view in the way the war ended for Japan was a blessing. If it dragged out longer Russia would have been more involved and taken a bigger chunk of East Asia, and McArthur helped keep the country on its feet before winter set in and get the industries back on line quickly.

Had the war lasted even a few more weeks, the Soviets would have come down from the north and a Germany-style postwar partitioning of Japan would have been almost inevitable.

 

[Alma]

You sound like the poor beaten down white men. American lives matter too

Mmm...no. I’m not particularly patriotic. I’ve never had a hard on for the military, haven’t spent 3 seconds on the History Channel, roll my eyes when every holiday is turned into some referendum on America, and will gladly you tell you Christianity’s relationship with politics is a big problem.

I just call them as I see them. Outside of doctors being total heroes, rock stars of our age, America doesn’t much like itself at the moment and, moreover, is not supposed to. We’re hooked on dread and destruction.

 

[Baron Scicluna]

Doesn’t have anything to do with the now. Has to do with it being something America did well.

Americans have to be publicly ashamed of their history, and the media is wise not to remind us of triumph.

1940s Trumpists would be whining about how their freedum is being destroyed because of mandatory blackouts and gas rationing.