Is Johnny Marr a Hall of Famer?

[Football_Bat]

RNRHOF announces nominees. Some surprises: I didn't know the Smiths and SRV have never been nominated, and I didn't know Green Day debuted 25 years ago.

http://www.thestar.com/entertainment/music/2014/10/09/green_day_sting_bill_withers_smiths_are_rock_and_roll_hall_of_fame_nominees.html

 

[TigerVols]

Of course he ****ing is. He's Johnny ****ing Marr.

 

[Songbird]

Dookie: As good as any album the last 25 years.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45lCeMVrCJM

 

[Huggy]

Stevie Ray Vaughan should have been in years ago, it's a ****ing joke he hasn't even been nominated before.

Green Day has to be a lock, same with Lou Reed. Nine Inch Nails will go in too as should Chic. To me Sting's solo work doesn't come close to what he did with the Police but that will probably be this year's Jann Wenner Special.

 

[PCLoadLetter]

I think Marr is an all-timer, and the Smiths should absolutely be in.

To me the only dead-certain lock in this class is Lou Reed. He's absolutely going in.

Green Day is going in at some point. Don't know if it will be now. I'd make a case against, but they have to lower the bar or they'll run out of candidates in a year or two. They've essentially got two good albums plus one other song.

I think SRV has been hurt solely by the fact that it's a limited body of work. He belongs in, and I think he'll get in, and probably on this ballot.

The rundown for 2015:

The Smiths: Yes, absolutely.
Green Day: Sure, I guess, at least at some point.
Joan Jett: See Green Day. Although I'd put her in first.
Sting: Eh. Why? Two good solo albums, a lot of pretentious ****, and one of the worst live acts I've seen. I'll pass, but he'll get in.
Lou Reed: Yes. No question.
Nine Inch Nails: No. Perhaps if it was the strip club music hall of fame.
Chic: Nile Rodgers deserves recognition, but I don't know about Chic. I lean slightly no.
Paul Butterfield Blues Band: With all due respect... is it a hall of fame, or is it Tower Records? I mean, someone has to get left out, right?
Marvelettes: If I have to look them up on Wikipedia, no. Sorry, "Please Mr. Postman" is not a hall of fame career.
Kraftwerk: Yes. Hugely influential, weird, cool. I'm on board.
NWA: Could not conceivably give less of a ****. I'll say no.
Spinners: No. They're good, but no.
War: "Low Rider" is all kinds of awesome. But **** no.
Bill Withers: No. No, no, no, no, no, no...
SRV: Yes. Short career, but **** happens.

My two pet causes for the Hall still remain un-nominated: **** Dale and Cheap Trick.

 

[Huggy]

Good point about Green Day but they let David Fricke hang around the studio when they record so it makes them a lock. I think The Smiths will go in too and when I say I like Chic's chances I am speaking solely of Nile Rodgers and Bernard Edwards, a very influential duo.

 

[heyabbott]

Little Feat

If Stevie Ray Vaughn is not in the RNRHOF then the RNRHOF is a fraud.

 

[Huggy]

Little Feat

If Stevie Ray Vaughn is not in the RNRHOF then the RNRHOF is a fraud.

Will definitely second Little Feat, just a great American rock and roll blues and boogie band, it's a real mystery why they aren't in, they were a huge concert draw and critical faves during their heyday. Two others: Warren Zevon and Roxy Music. I agree with PC's calls on **** Dale and Cheap Trick.

 

[Football_Bat]

Sting is already in as a member of the Police. He needs to make a stronger case as a solo artist.

 

[Versatile]

The Smiths: Obviously. Morrissey shouldn't even come close as a solo artist, though.
Green Day: I'll go ahead and say this is obvious. They are the biggest American band post-Nirvana. And they have three very good albums of very distinct styles (Dookie, Nimrod and American Idiot).
Joan Jett: I'm not a fan, but she probably should be in.
Sting: No, his solo work is terrible.
Lou Reed: Should have been in years ago.
Nine Inch Nails: No.
Chic: No.
Paul Butterfield Blues Band: No.
Marvelettes: No.
Kraftwerk: Yes, and Can should get in, too.
NWA: I've stated my opinion that Ice Cube and Dr. Dre have better cases than the collective.
Spinners: No.
War: Underrated, but no.
Bill Withers: Seven or eight great singles but not enough.
Stevie Ray Vaughan: Wildly overrated.

 

[Big Circus]

Am I the only NIN guy around here? My thought is that they've got a better case than Green Day.

 

[Webster]

I love Bill Withers and think that he has been drastically underappreciated. If you haven't listed to his Live at Carnegie Hall concert, you are missing something wonderful. However, I think that he's in the hall of really, really great, not the Hall of Fame.

 

[Iron_chet]

Agree on NIN, great catalog of music and super influential. His music has aged well compared to some of his contemporaries.

 

[Huggy]

Count me among those who thought Lou Reed was already in for his solo career.

 

[Versatile]

How can Nine Inch Nails go in while The Cure and Joy Division/New Order are out?

 

[Big Circus]

How can Nine Inch Nails go in while The Cure and Joy Division/New Order are out?

That's a valid question. They should be in as well.

 

[Versatile]

Joy Division/New Order deserves the same kind of induction given to Parliament/Funkadelic. Judging them as two bands is flawed given the very legitimate reason they switched names.

 

[Football_Bat]

How can Nine Inch Nails go in while The Cure and Joy Division/New Order are out?

American bias.

 

[ThomsonONE]

Joy Division/New Order deserves the same kind of induction given to Parliament/Funkadelic. Judging them as two bands is flawed given the very legitimate reason they switched names.

Joy Division and New Order should be locks as separate bands. Combine them and they are in the top 10 of all time. Incredibly influential in both incarnations, yet very different sounds.

The Smiths should have been in in their first year of eligibility, also extremely influential.

Seems like bands started in the 80's in the UK will get short shrift, many crap acts from the US will be more highly valued. Joan Jett? You have to be kidding. A couple of '60's covers get in? Ridiculous.

 

[Huggy]

I don't get the Joan Jett nomination either. The Jam is another UK band that fits your theory too, Thomson.