If McNabb is overrated, how about ...

[Twoback]

Drew Brees? 0-2
Philip Rivers? 1-1 (has looked awful both games, albeit against v good defenses)
Eli Manning? 0-2 (hurt or not, RB or not, he's has yet to prove he's a franchise QB)
Marc Bulger? 0-2 (Kurt Warner, except he doesn't win)

* It could also be argued that McNabb has weaker WR/TE than all of the above QBs, except maybe Brees.

Just one man's opinion - feel McNabb's HBO comments are accurate. McNabb seems to be getting blasted harder today than any of the above, all of whom have sucked equally or worse this season.

Are we talking about team record or individual performance? The Giants are 0-2, but in Week 1 Manning was 28-for-41 passing for 312 yards with four touchdowns and one interception. That's a 113 rating.
Even with the injury, Manning's rating after two weeks is 97.5.
Manning's performance has been an issue many times in the previous two years. So far this season, he's not to blame for the 0-2 record.

That's at least two on your list whose teams are losing in spite of them, not because of them, biglead.

I don't think Rivers entered the season with expectations anywhere near the rest of that list. He's just a good young quarterback on a team with high expectations. He has also faced two of the league's better defenses.

Brees is the only one who is actually a fair comparison. Can't speak to his performance so far because I haven't seen them play yet. I saw McNabb looking shaky last night, I'm sure because of the knee.

Rivers?
He was annointed as the next Fran Tarkenton in what amounted to his first big start, against Pittsburgh on Monday Night last year.
He was sharing the field with Roethlisberger, who'd only just won the Super Bowl, and the crew was acting as if Rivers had reinvented the game.

 

[nafselon]

McNabb would have hurled himself off the George Washington Bridge if he received half of the level of criticism that Eli Manning gets.

And Eli Manning wouldn't get the criticism if he accomplished half of what McNabb has and didn't cost the team future draft choices in the process.

 

[93Devil]

McNabb is doing a lot better than Tim Couch, Akili Smith , Dante Culpeper, Cade McNown, Shaun King and Aaron Brooks.

They were selected in the same draft as McNabb.

 

[IU90]

McNabb would have hurled himself off the George Washington Bridge if he received half of the level of criticism that Eli Manning gets.

Hey, he could have been in San Diego.

I don't feel a whiff of pity for the guy.

That's no joke. That's one guy who better never complain about the pressures of playing in New York.

 

[outofplace]

Drew Brees? 0-2
Philip Rivers? 1-1 (has looked awful both games, albeit against v good defenses)
Eli Manning? 0-2 (hurt or not, RB or not, he's has yet to prove he's a franchise QB)
Marc Bulger? 0-2 (Kurt Warner, except he doesn't win)

* It could also be argued that McNabb has weaker WR/TE than all of the above QBs, except maybe Brees.

Just one man's opinion - feel McNabb's HBO comments are accurate. McNabb seems to be getting blasted harder today than any of the above, all of whom have sucked equally or worse this season.

Are we talking about team record or individual performance? The Giants are 0-2, but in Week 1 Manning was 28-for-41 passing for 312 yards with four touchdowns and one interception. That's a 113 rating.
Even with the injury, Manning's rating after two weeks is 97.5.
Manning's performance has been an issue many times in the previous two years. So far this season, he's not to blame for the 0-2 record.

That's at least two on your list whose teams are losing in spite of them, not because of them, biglead.

I don't think Rivers entered the season with expectations anywhere near the rest of that list. He's just a good young quarterback on a team with high expectations. He has also faced two of the league's better defenses.

Brees is the only one who is actually a fair comparison. Can't speak to his performance so far because I haven't seen them play yet. I saw McNabb looking shaky last night, I'm sure because of the knee.

Rivers?
He was annointed as the next Fran Tarkenton in what amounted to his first big start, against Pittsburgh on Monday Night last year.
He was sharing the field with Roethlisberger, who'd only just won the Super Bowl, and the crew was acting as if Rivers had reinvented the game.

Well, if you're going to take the MNF crew seriously....

 

[EStreetJoe]

The McNabb numbers:

he is 9-12 (.428) since losing Super Bowl XXXIX; while the Eagles are 8-7 (.533) in games he didn't play in since that Super Bowl.
He is also 1-6 in his last seven starts, only one of the six losses (last year to New Orleans) was against a playoff team.

 

[Chuck~Taylor]

The McNabb numbers:

he is 9-12 (.428) since losing Super Bowl XXXIX; while the Eagles are 8-7 (.533) in games he didn't play in since that Super Bowl.
He is also 1-6 in his last seven starts, only one of the six losses (last year to New Orleans) was against a playoff team.

Dude, McNabb has been winning his whole career. I believe since McNabb entered the league, he's been the second most winningest qb in the NFL.

Go and check his individual statistics and you'll see that those losses weren't his fault. Again, he's played with nothing his whole career, and for some odd reason, Andy Reid keeps making him pass 40+ times a game instead of handing the ball to Bryan Westbrook more often. When McNabb was injured and they did that, the offense ran much smoother because it took pressure of Garcia and his receivers. And you can't honestly sit there and tell me that Garcia is a better qb than McNabb.

 

[Mizzougrad96]

McNabb would have hurled himself off the George Washington Bridge if he received half of the level of criticism that Eli Manning gets.

He probably would have gone Owen Wilson if he got the same level of criticism Rex Grossman gets...

 

[outofplace]

The McNabb numbers:

he is 9-12 (.428) since losing Super Bowl XXXIX; while the Eagles are 8-7 (.533) in games he didn't play in since that Super Bowl.
He is also 1-6 in his last seven starts, only one of the six losses (last year to New Orleans) was against a playoff team.

Dude, McNabb has been winning his whole career. I believe since McNabb entered the league, he's been the second most winningest qb in the NFL.

Go and check his individual statistics and you'll see that those losses weren't his fault. Again, he's played with nothing his whole career, and for some odd reason, Andy Reid keeps making him pass 40+ times a game instead of handing the ball to Bryan Westbrook more often. When McNabb was injured and they did that, the offense ran much smoother because it took pressure of Garcia and his receivers. And you can't honestly sit there and tell me that Garcia is a better qb than McNabb.

We're talking about now, not 2-3 years ago. Palmer has passed him. Others to follow shortly if he can't stay healthy.

 

[Chuck~Taylor]

McNabb would have hurled himself off the George Washington Bridge if he received half of the level of criticism that Eli Manning gets.

He probably would have gone Owen Wilson if he got the same level of criticism Rex Grossman gets...

Of course, I'm not surprised by yab over here because to him blacks shouldn't be leading at anything.

You guys making it out as if he's never been criticised. The dude was booed when he got drafted! It's crazy to think that Eli has been more criticised than McNabb.

And even if the Eli Manning critisism was at the same level as McNabb's, at least McNabb has actually proven himself.

P.S. Eli gets criticism because he asked to be traded from the Chargers.

 

[Flash]

at least McNabb has actually proven himself.

By doing what? Leading the team choke in the big games?

 

[Mayfly]

McNabb would have hurled himself off the George Washington Bridge if he received half of the level of criticism that Eli Manning gets.

He probably would have gone Owen Wilson if he got the same level of criticism Rex Grossman gets...

Of course, I'm not surprised by yab over here because to him blacks shouldn't be leading at anything.

You guys making it out as if he's never been criticised. The dude was booed when he got drafted! It's crazy to think that Eli has been more criticised than McNabb.

And even if the Eli Manning critisism was at the same level as McNabb's, at least McNabb has actually proven himself.

P.S. Eli gets criticism because he asked to be traded from the Chargers.

For the last time, the fans did not boo McNabb the person. They booed the pick that the Eagles made at the #2 spot. They wanted Ricky Williams. It just so happened that McNabb's name was called, and suddenly it's like the fans are booing him. Jesus himself could have been called to the podium and Eagles fans would have the same amount of vitriol in their system. Fans boo the front office more for their stupid mistakes more than they do the players.

 

[Chuck~Taylor]

at least McNabb has actually proven himself.

By doing what? Leading the team choke in the big games?

4 NFC championships with no help on offense
1 Super Bowl(the only year he actually had a WR that had more talent than a number 2)
And a lot of great stats to add to his resume

It seems like we have all forgotten about the 4th 26 play he made in the playoffs. And that "drive" against the Patriots in the SB was not entirely his fault because Reid wasn't trying to hurry up the offense in the first place.

 

[Mayfly]

at least McNabb has actually proven himself.

By doing what? Leading the team choke in the big games?

4 NFC championships with no help on offense
1 Super Bowl(the only year he actually had a WR that had more talent than a number 2)
And a lot of great stats to add to his resume

It seems like we have all forgotten about the 4th 26 play he made in the playoffs. And that "drive" against the Patriots in the SB was not entirely his fault because Reid wasn't trying to hurry up the offense in the first place.

I'm an Eagles fan, but the 4th and 26 play was more a defensive lapse on the Packers' part than the Eagles' play call. The Packers dropped into prevent defense and Freddie Mitchell found a soft spot in the zone. McNabb threw an okay ball, but he didn't make or break the play. If you want to actually make some sense when bringing McNabb to light about a play, why not that one against the Cowboys where he ran all around the field and hit Mitchell in stride?

 

[Hustle]

Or playing the second half vs. Arizona on one leg.

 

[heyabbott]

at least McNabb has actually proven himself.

By doing what? Leading the team choke in the big games?

4 NFC championships with no help on offense
1 Super Bowl(the only year he actually had a WR that had more talent than a number 2)
And a lot of great stats to add to his resume

It seems like we have all forgotten about the 4th 26 play he made in the playoffs. And that "drive" against the Patriots in the SB was not entirely his fault because Reid wasn't trying to hurry up the offense in the first place.

4 NFC Championships is an accomplishment, but going 1-3 is the proper evaluation. You Play To Win The Game.

To answer the question of whether or not McNabb is overrated, you first have to definerated. He has never been a HOF caliber QB. Donovan McNabb is not in the all-time top 50 in any major category.
If anyone thinks McNabb is in the top 3 QBs in the NFL, at any point in his career, you are overrating him. Was there a point in his career when he was the 5th-7th best QB? possibly.
He's 7-5 in the post season.

Seasons among the league's top 10

 Pass attempts:	2000-4, 2007-5
Completions:	2000-4, 2004-9
Passing yards:	2004-8
Passing TDs:	2000-7t, 2001-7, 2004-3
Adjusted yards per pass:	2003-10, 2004-3, 2006-1

Is he overrated? It depends on where you start.

He's been between Good and Very Good.

 

[EStreetJoe]

The McNabb numbers:

he is 9-12 (.428) since losing Super Bowl XXXIX; while the Eagles are 8-7 (.533) in games he didn't play in since that Super Bowl.
He is also 1-6 in his last seven starts, only one of the six losses (last year to New Orleans) was against a playoff team.

Dude, McNabb has been winning his whole career. I believe since McNabb entered the league, he's been the second most winningest qb in the NFL.

Go and check his individual statistics and you'll see that those losses weren't his fault. Again, he's played with nothing his whole career, and for some odd reason, Andy Reid keeps making him pass 40+ times a game instead of handing the ball to Bryan Westbrook more often. When McNabb was injured and they did that, the offense ran much smoother because it took pressure of Garcia and his receivers. And you can't honestly sit there and tell me that Garcia is a better qb than McNabb.

Not going to say Garcia is better than McNabb. But in a "what have you done for me lately" sports world, where if you don't win now you get criticized, McNabb hasn't been winning lately and can't take the criticism that goes with it.

 

[heyabbott]

In McNabbs 5 post season losses he's thrown 5TDs and 9 INTS and was somewhere around 50% completions, but that's skewed by a 30-51 Super Bowl perfromance

 

[outofplace]

McNabb would have hurled himself off the George Washington Bridge if he received half of the level of criticism that Eli Manning gets.

He probably would have gone Owen Wilson if he got the same level of criticism Rex Grossman gets...

Of course, I'm not surprised by yab over here because to him blacks shouldn't be leading at anything.

You guys making it out as if he's never been criticised. The dude was booed when he got drafted! It's crazy to think that Eli has been more criticised than McNabb.

And even if the Eli Manning critisism was at the same level as McNabb's, at least McNabb has actually proven himself.

P.S. Eli gets criticism because he asked to be traded from the Chargers.

For the last time, the fans did not boo McNabb the person. They booed the pick that the Eagles made at the #2 spot. They wanted Ricky Williams. It just so happened that McNabb's name was called, and suddenly it's like the fans are booing him. Jesus himself could have been called to the podium and Eagles fans would have the same amount of vitriol in their system. Fans boo the front office more for their stupid mistakes more than they do the players.

I understand why they were booing. But you don't think that was unfair to McNabb? Don't think he took that personally?

 

[Armchair_QB]

at least McNabb has actually proven himself.

By doing what? Leading the team choke in the big games?

4 NFC championships with no help on offense
1 Super Bowl(the only year he actually had a WR that had more talent than a number 2)
And a lot of great stats to add to his resume

It seems like we have all forgotten about the 4th 26 play he made in the playoffs. And that "drive" against the Patriots in the SB was not entirely his fault because Reid wasn't trying to hurry up the offense in the first place.

Uh, he's got one NFC championship. You don't don't count a championship for a game you lose, which is what happened the other three times they made it that far.