Hillary: Deadbeat

[hondo]

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/9259.html


If she's stiffing small businesses like this now, what would she do as Prez?
This isn't being slow paying a network for a national ad buy. This is sticking it to cleaning companies and caterers.

 

[Frank_Ridgeway]

Debts more than a month old? Are you insane, linking to this horse****? It's not unusual for politicians to spend years -- in John Glenn's case more than a decade -- trying to pay off campaign debts. Why don't you Google "campaign debts" and "Giuliani" and see what you come up with?

 

[zeke12]

While they're still running?

I've heard of lots of folks who have trouble retiring their debt after they quit and aren't raising any more money.

But stiffing vendors while the money is still rolling in is a different matter entirely.

 

[Frank_Ridgeway]

While they're still running?

I've heard of lots of folks who have trouble retiring their debt after they quit and aren't raising any more money.

But stiffing vendors while the money is still rolling in is a different matter entirely.

Debts a month old? Have you lost your mind?

 

[zeke12]

Frank, here's what I'll tell you:

Stiffing Hy-Vee in Iowa, which is a huge employer in the entire upper midwest -- and is employee-owned, to boot -- has earned her negative publicity all over Iowa, and the entire region.

I was home a few days ago and met up with two buddies who are managers with Hy-Vee in two different states.

They both brought it up.

 

[spnited]

It also says McCain owes $1.3 million to a dozen vendors.
So he must be a deadbeat, too.

 

[hondo]

It also says McCain owes $1.3 million to a dozen vendors.
So he must be a deadbeat, too.

Yeah, you're right. And if any of us paid our bills at the same speed as presidential candidates, we'd be sued in a heartbeat.

 

[spnited]

It also says McCain owes $1.3 million to a dozen vendors.
So he must be a deadbeat, too.

Yeah, you're right. And if any of us paid our bills at the same speed as presidential candidates, we'd be sued in a heartbeat.

My point exactly...and Frank's, too.
But this thread is ony bashing Hillary, not all Presidential candidates.

 

[Chi City 81]

It also says McCain owes $1.3 million to a dozen vendors.
So he must be a deadbeat, too.

Yeah, you're right. And if any of us paid our bills at the same speed as presidential candidates, we'd be sued in a heartbeat.

My point exactly...and Frank's, too.
But this thread is ony bashing Hillary, not all Presidential candidates.

Read the story again, spnited. Obama owes less than $700K, and most of that is to political operatives, not individual businesses. He's been paying his bills.

 

[spnited]

But McCain apparently hasn't been paying all of his either.

 

[Chi City 81]

But McCain apparently hasn't been paying all of his either.

Look who started the thread. Hondo is as fair and balanced as Fox News.

 

[jgmacg]

Their indebtedness will destroy us all!

 

[Frank_Ridgeway]

A year ago she was catching **** for helping Vilsack with his campaign debt. People who want to bash her will bash her no matter what she does.

Hey, ask your advertising people. Newspapers do not allow political candidates to run a tab -- it's cash up front if they want to buy an ad. That goes for everyone.

This is just the way it is, and it is intellectually dishonest to pretend Clinton is an exception. Again, check out Giuliani.

 

[zeke12]

A year ago she was catching **** for helping Vilsack with his campaign debt. People who want to bash her will bash her no matter what she does.

Hey, ask your advertising people. Newspapers do not allow political candidates to run a tab -- it's cash up front if they want to buy an ad. That goes for everyone.

This is just the way it is, and it is intellectually dishonest to pretend Clinton is an exception. Again, check out Giuliani.

I don't really disagree with any of this. But it's also intellectually dishonest to pretend that campaign debt is all the same.

The pollsters, consultants and even some of the event vendors accept the risk that comes with extending credit to campaigns.

The TV and newspaper ad people and the folks who print literature and bumper stickers demand cash on the barrel. And good for them.

The grocery stores and folks who rent office space extend short-term credit, but also expect to get paid pretty quickly. And when they're not paid three months later, despite the candidate raising $50 million in the interim, they rightfully get pissed off.

And if they think they can shame the candidate into paying up by offering the story to a media outlet, they'll damn sure do it.

 

[Fenian_Bastard]

Please. Frank's right.
It is all about bashing HRC because an unusual number of posters on this board consider that to be a) fun, b) good politics and c) their sacred duty to the Obama Movement. I think it's more significant that St. McCain is currently in violation of the campaign-finance law that bears his name. Funnier, too.

 

[Chi City 81]

Please. Frank's right.
It is all about bashing HRC because an unusual number of posters on this board consider that to be a) fun, b) good politics and c) their sacred duty to the Obama Movement. I think it's more significant that St. McCain is currently in violation of the campaign-finance law that bears his name. Funnier, too.

So far, Zeke and I are the only Obama supporters to post on this thread. Please show me where I bashed Hillary on this. I'll wait. And as long as her campaign continues to bash Obama over every little thing in a desperate attempt to remain viable, I'll take my fun where I can get it, if it's all right with you. I'll stop bashing Hillary when she drops out of the race.

 

[Frank_Ridgeway]

The grocery stores and folks who rent office space extend short-term credit, but also expect to get paid pretty quickly. And when they're not paid three months later, despite the candidate raising $50 million in the interim, they rightfully get pissed off.

And if they think they can shame the candidate into paying up by offering the story to a media outlet, they'll damn sure do it.

They have these primaries every four years. These companies could easily say no, but they're worried the guy down the street will say yes, and they want the business. They know how the game is played, they are not virgins. I don't feel very sorry for them.

 

[Chi City 81]

The grocery stores and folks who rent office space extend short-term credit, but also expect to get paid pretty quickly. And when they're not paid three months later, despite the candidate raising $50 million in the interim, they rightfully get pissed off.

And if they think they can shame the candidate into paying up by offering the story to a media outlet, they'll damn sure do it.

They have these primaries every four years. These companies could easily say no, but they're worried the guy down the street will say yes, and they want the business. They know how the game is played, they are not virgins. I don't feel very sorry for them.

Funny. That's the same line of thinking Dean Singleton has had recently.

 

[zeke12]

Please. Frank's right.
It is all about bashing HRC because an unusual number of posters on this board consider that to be a) fun, b) good politics and c) their sacred duty to the Obama Movement. I think it's more significant that St. McCain is currently in violation of the campaign-finance law that bears his name. Funnier, too.

It's all about defending HRC because a perplexing minority of posters on this board have been doing that so long it has become a) reflexive or b) pathological or c) psychologically satisfying in a contrarian sense.

On the second sentence, I agree.

 

[jagtrader]

If she has the money coming in through fund raising, she should pay the vendors. It's not a big deal or an outrage. It's just common sense. It's a lot smarter to keep these people from compaining to the media than to spend $1 million on advertising in PA three weeks before the election.