gruden, jaworski defend reggie bush...stay classy espn

[noodles]

Mike Tirico sets up Ron Jaworski and Jon Gruden early in tonight's game to comment on Reggie Bush having to give back his Heisman, and both guys fret about all the fuss.

Jaworski says Bush should keep the Heisman because it represents only what he accomplished on the field. Gruden insisted people leave Reggie Bush alone and let him do his job because he's a good kid and a fine football player.

Hello? He and his family took thousands of dollars in cash and gifts while he was an amateur. He was as dirty as dirty gets.

Again, another example of pro guys turning their blind eyes to college. To each, it's as if it didn't happen because it happened in college, not in the pros.

Nice message, douche bags.

 

[Steak Snabler]

So you're saying that arguing he shouldn't have lost his Heisman is indefensible? I'm not sure it's that open-and-shut ...

 

[noodles]

It is in the eyes of the Heisman Trust. Bush likely gave it back because they were thisclose from taking it. Open and shut case? Pretty close when you look at the mountain of evidence the NCAA has against him.

The Heisman goes to the best amateur football player. Bush gave that up months before he stepped to the podium in New York. Pretty hard to argue a case for him, isn't it?

 

[Steak Snabler]

Whatever. I just don't think it's worth being outraged about. I've never been big on going back and erasing history, whether it's stripped Heisman winners, vacated wins or nullified Final Fours.

 

[noodles]

Sounds like something someone from ESPN would say ;D

 

[Gator]

If it's going to crucify Reggie Bush and swipe his award, I think the NCAA needs to take a much larger look at the bigger picture. This happens all the time, and the fact that it's a Heisman winner is why it's making such big news. Trying to catch all the violators would be like police departments trying to catch all snatch-and-grab robbers. It isn't going to happen.

Clearly the NCAA was out to make a point, but it's just a walking contradiction.

 

[Steak Snabler]

it's just a walking contradiction.

Partly truth and partly fiction.
Taking every wrong direction on his lonely way back home.
[kris kristofferson]

 

[Smasher_Sloan]

Trying to catch all the violators would be like police departments trying to catch all snatch-and-grab robbers. It isn't going to happen.

So you let them all go? Not seeing the logic there.

 

[noodles]

Think Jaworski and Gruden would take the same stances if they were working college games on CBS? Not a chance. It's the NFL, it's ESPN. They're joined at the hip. No use biting the hand that feeds you.

It's OK Reggie, we forgive you. No big deal. Just play some football.

 

[Gator]

Trying to catch all the violators would be like police departments trying to catch all snatch-and-grab robbers. It isn't going to happen.

So you let them all go? Not seeing the logic there.

I'm not saying let them go, but it's going to create insane amounts of havoc. For example, Maurkice Poucey was investigated for alleged relations with his now agent, the same guy who represented Reggie Bush. If he's found guilty, does Florida forfeit its national championship. And if they do, does it remain vacant, like the Heisman.

I'm fairly certain there's been at least one guy on every national championship team who has violated one or more of the roughly billion NCAA rules. And the NCAA needs to be consistent.

 

[Baron Scicluna]

If it's going to crucify Reggie Bush and swipe his award, I think the NCAA needs to take a much larger look at the bigger picture. This happens all the time, and the fact that it's a Heisman winner is why it's making such big news. Trying to catch all the violators would be like police departments trying to catch all snatch-and-grab robbers. It isn't going to happen.

Clearly the NCAA was out to make a point, but it's just a walking contradiction.

Except there are plenty of people who are allowed to be snatch and grab robbers by the NCAA, and they consider it legal. It's only a certain group that's not allowed to be snatch and grab robbers (i.e. the athletic students).

And Noodles, there's nothing dirty, as you put it, about Bush and his family receiving the money. Against the NCAA's version of the rules? Of course. But there was nothing immoral about them taking the money when there are plenty of other people making money.

Heck, I just saw an ESPN the Mag article (from when, I'm not sure) that detailed some of the perks that football coaches get. They get the finest cars, each and every year. They get private airplane access. No one things they're immoral for getting whatever they can.

 

[Smasher_Sloan]

When you get caught cheating on your taxes, give them the, "Well, ****, everyone does it" defense and let me know how far it gets you.

 

[Johnny Dangerously]

Yes. Then try "The CEO took that tax write-off. He wasn't immoral. Neither am I for taking it, even if I make 8.1 percent of what he earns."

 

[Gator]

When you get caught cheating on your taxes, give them the, "Well, ****, everyone does it" defense and let me know how far it gets you.

So what's the solution? Have the NCAA say, "Well, we'll nab 'em where we can nab 'em." Yeah, love that philosophy.

 

[Smasher_Sloan]

When you get caught cheating on your taxes, give them the, "Well, ****, everyone does it" defense and let me know how far it gets you.

So what's the solution? Have the NCAA say, "Well, we'll nab 'em where we can nab 'em." Yeah, love that philosophy.

Do you think the cops catch every kid who throws a brick through a window? Of course not. But when it happens right in front of them, they don't let the kid walk away because they can't catch all the others who do the same thing.

 

[Flying Headbutt]

Cleary Reggie Bush's "illegal" perks are going to open the floodgates and it won't be long until college football players all over the country are found taking money from agents, going on trips paid for by someone else, and who knows what else. Oh wait...

Gruden and Jaws were right. The DAC's sudden morality on this situation is lame. As Denis Leary said, if only Reggie Bush had killed Kim Kardashian and a waiter, he'd be allowed to keep his trophy.

And Smasher, your analogy between taxes and this is like comparing an anvil to an orange.

 

[Smasher_Sloan]

No, it's fine. The "everybody does it" argument doesn't work if you're the one who gets caught.

 

[Flying Headbutt]

I'll feel the same way you do when the NCAA goes after the coaches and the schools who don't give two ****s about what's going on as long as the player is scoring touchdowns. Pete Carroll kept his coach of the year award and USC is keeping the millions of dollars Bush made for the school while he was there. And while I'm fairly certain they had a pretty damn good idea what was going on, if somehow they didn't, it's because they tried awfully hard to stay ignorant to the situation. It's easy to punish Bush and the current USC players. But it also exposes the NCAA as one of the most corrupt organizations in sports.

 

[JackReacher]

Cleary Reggie Bush's "illegal" perks are going to open the floodgates and it won't be long until college football players all over the country are found taking money from agents, going on trips paid for by someone else, and who knows what else. Oh wait...

Gruden and Jaws were right. The DAC's sudden morality on this situation is lame. As Denis Leary said, if only Reggie Bush had killed Kim Kardashian and a waiter, he'd be allowed to keep his trophy.

I love Leary as much as the next guy, but that is apples and oranges. Might be funny, but it's not relevant.

What Bush did affected his amateur status.
What O.J. did or didn't do did not affect his amateur status.

Big, big difference.

It's in the rules. And I love how everyone -- including the Trust itself -- was making a big deal about it not even getting to a vote. A vote was not needed. Why would they need to vote if it's clear -- and it is -- that Bush ineligible at the time he won?

 

[Stoney]

Cleary Reggie Bush's "illegal" perks are going to open the floodgates and it won't be long until college football players all over the country are found taking money from agents, going on trips paid for by someone else, and who knows what else. Oh wait...

Gruden and Jaws were right. The DAC's sudden morality on this situation is lame. As Denis Leary said, if only Reggie Bush had killed Kim Kardashian and a waiter, he'd be allowed to keep his trophy.

I love Leary as much as the next guy, but that is apples and oranges. Might be funny, but it's not relevant.

What Bush did affected his amateur status.
What O.J. did or didn't do did not affect his amateur status.

Big, big difference.

Agreed. The OJ analogy is silly. The issue isn't whether Bush is a good or bad person, it's the fact that he shouldn't even have been eligible when he did the things that won the award.