Football stat question

[bigpern23]

If a quarterback is sacked on a 2-point conversion, are the sack and yards lost recorded in the box score? I figure since the two yards gained when it's successful aren't credited to the team's total offense, they shouldn't be penalized the yardage on a sack, but I also figure the defensive player would get credit for the sack, so I'm confused.

Also, how would I record this play in the score summary:
Player A blocked a punt at the 21-yard line. It bounced all the way into the end zone, where Player B recovered for a touchdown. He didn't return the ball at all, just fell on it and since he didn't block the punt himself, I'm not sure how to score it.

Player A blocked punt 0 (kick failed), 9:06?

 

[captzulu]

I don't think anything is counted on the 2-point conversion. If a QB is picked off on a 2-point throw, it's not an INT, just pass failed. So I'm thinking a sack and the loss of yards aren't counted, just run failed.

As for the blocked punt scoring, see how the NFL recorded Keith Bullock's blocked punt and recovery in the end zone in week 1.

 

[CentralIllinoisan]

T -- Smith recovered blocked punt in end zone (pass failed)

And no yardage is gained or lost in a conversion attempt.

 

[pressboxer]

Taken from the NCAA's 2008 Football Statisticians' Manual:

From SECTION 7—BLOCKED PUNTS

Article 1. A blocked punt is recorded as a “Team” entry (except when a properly centered ball is fumbled) and not charged against the individual kicker. Also, charge one punt for zero yards to assure that the blocked punt is included under “Times Kicked” in team totals.

If the ball travels toward the kicker’s goal and is recovered by the blocking team, the yardage is treated as a punt return by the player who blocked the kick.

If the ball travels toward the kicker’s goal and is recovered by the kicking team, the yardage is treated as a punt return by the player who blocked the kick; and the blocking team is charged with a fumble lost, except on fourth down. Remember that yardage for a blocked punt by an opponent cannot be a negative figure, but is listed as zero yards and the difference shall be listed as punt return yardage for the team blocking the punt.

A.R. 1. Team A’s ball on the 50. Adams’ punt is blocked by Brown and recovered by Team A on its own 40. Charge Team A (not Adams) with a blocked punt of zero yards. Credit Brown with a punt return of 10 yards. Charge Team B with a fumble lost, except on fourth down.

A.R. 2. In the same situation as A.R. 1, the ball is recovered by Brown. Charge Team A with a blocked punt of zero yards. Credit Brown with a punt return of 10 yards.

A.R. 3. Team A’s ball on its 30. Adams’ punt is blocked by Brown. Benton picks the ball up on Team A’s 20 and runs for a touchdown. Charge Team A with a blocked punt of zero yards. Credit Brown with a punt return of 10 yards. Credit Benton with no punt return but with 20 yards under “Punt Returns” and a touchdown.

A.R. 4. In the same situation as A.R. 3, Adams’ punt is blocked by Brown, who picks the ball up on Team A’s 20 and runs for a touchdown. Charge Team A with a blocked punt of no yards. Credit Brown with a punt return of 30 yards and a touchdown.

From SECTION 11—EXTRA POINTS

Article 4. The extra point is attempted while time is out and is not to be recorded as a play from scrimmage (i.e., rush, pass, interception or kick). Exception: Penalties against Team A and Team B are recorded.

A.R. 1. When the extra-point attempt is by forward passing, the passer is charged with the attempt (under “Scoring”), whether successful or not. If successful, the receiver is credited under “Scoring” with the conversion and the points scored, and the passer is credited with a conversion under “Forward Passing.” A conversion effort by passing is recorded as a “PAT Attempt” and is not recorded as a pass reception.

A.R. 2. When the extra-point attempt is by rushing, the ball carrier is charged with a “PAT Attempt” and is credited with the points, if successful. He is not charged with a rushing attempt and is not credited with yards gained. When such an attempt is unsuccessful, the ball carrier is charged with the PAT attempt only.

A.R. 3. Team A’s extra-point attempt is unsuccessful, but Team B is offside and the ball is moved from the three- to the 1 1/2-yard line (half the distance to the goal) for another attempt. Charge Team B with a penalty of two yards.

A.R. 4. Team A’s extra point is successful, but Team A is offside and the ball is moved from the three- to the eight-yard line for another attempt. Charge Team A with a penalty of five yards.

A.R. 5. Team A’s extra-point attempt is successful, but Team B is called for unsportsmanlike conduct. On the ensuing kickoff, Team A kicks off from its 45-yard line instead of its 30. Charge Team B with a penalty of 15 yards.

The bit about counting penalties committed on PATs appears to be relatively new. I remember an older version of the manual had something about only counting them if assessed on the kickoff.

You can download a pdf of the manual at:
http://www.ncaapublications.com/Uploads/PDF/2008%20Football%20Stats%20Manual0735b1a6-35ca-42fb-bbaa-fecadc30f9dd.pdf

 

[apeman33]

I don't think anything is counted on the 2-point conversion. If a QB is picked off on a 2-point throw, it's not an INT, just pass failed. So I'm thinking a sack and the loss of yards aren't counted, just run failed.

As for the blocked punt scoring, see how the NFL recorded Keith Bullock's blocked punt and recovery in the end zone in week 1.

Doing it the way you see it on the NFL's site isn't a good example since they use their own style. Central Illinois fan had it the way I would do it.

The interesting thing in college football is putting the "defensive conversion" into a box score. I've seen one three times, two on blocked PAT's and one on an interception return on the two-point conversion. I recorded one of those like so:

D -- Smith 23 pass from Johnson (kick failed), 9:43.
X -- Brown returned blocked extra point for defensive conversion, 9:43.

I don't know if it's right because I haven't seen any other examples. But it describes what happened, so I figure it works. Since the yards don't matter, I don't say "Brown 91 return of blocked extra point for defensive conversion."

EDIT: I just downloaded the NCAA manual from the link above and found that you DO indicate the yards returned in the scoring summary ("Do not credit Brown with an interception of 100 yards but indicate the yardage in the "Scoring Summary" and the play-by-play")