Fantastic Steve Jacobson column on George Steinbrenner.

[hockeybeat]

In the aftermath of yesterday's Yankee ownership change, I think this is a very fair look at George Steinbrenner by someone who covered him for many years.

http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/yankees/ny-spjake215936177nov21,0,7265415.story

 

[Smasher_Sloan]

Good for Jake. It's easy to feel sorry for Steinbrenner these days, or to confuse the real man with the "Seinfeld" caricature. It's good to have a realistic view of him and how he ran the Yankees.

 

[Boom_70]

In the aftermath of yesterday's Yankee ownership change, I think this is a very fair look at George Steinbrenner by someone who covered him for many years.

http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/yankees/ny-spjake215936177nov21,0,7265415.story

If that's your definition for fair I'd hate to see how you define unfair.

 

[shockey]

fair? maybe not. accurate? heck, yeah.

 

[hockeybeat]

In the aftermath of yesterday's Yankee ownership change, I think this is a very fair look at George Steinbrenner by someone who covered him for many years.

http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/yankees/ny-spjake215936177nov21,0,7265415.story

If that's your definition for fair I'd hate to see how you define unfair.

Why do you think the column is unfair?

 

[Walter Burns]

Y'know, I was in NYC while "The Bronx is Burning" was on ESPN (great book, mediocre miniseries...John Turturro and the guy who played Jimmy Breslin were fantastic).
Anyway, I was reading the newspapers talking about how Steinbrenner should be in the Hall of Fame before he's gone to the big owner's box in the sky.
It was so refreshing to watch "The Bronx is Burning" to remind everyone what a complete ****ing psycho Steinbrenner was.
I liked this column.

 

[Angola!]

Y'know, I was in NYC while "The Bronx is Burning" was on ESPN (great book, mediocre miniseries...John Turturro and the guy who played Jimmy Breslin were fantastic).
Anyway, I was reading the newspapers talking about how Steinbrenner should be in the Hall of Fame before he's gone to the big owner's box in the sky.
It was so refreshing to watch "The Bronx is Burning" to remind everyone what a complete ****ing psycho Steinbrenner was.
I liked this column.

He still belongs in the Hall of Fame.

Ty Cobb was ****ing psychotic and he's in the HOF.

 

[Smasher_Sloan]

Ty Cobb, psychotic or not, <b>played</b> baseball and accomplished things on the field.

 

[Angola!]

Ty Cobb, psychotic or not, <b>played</b> baseball and accomplished things on the field.

So, since Peter Gammons didn't play, he shouldn't be in the Hall?

 

[pressboxramblings07]

Bingo.

 

[Angola!]

Love him or hate him, Steinbrenner changed baseball in a monumental way and should be in the Hall of Fame.

 

[tapintoamerica]

Who has been inducted into the Hall for his contributions as an owner? I don't know off the top of my head.

 

[Angola!]

Who has been inducted into the Hall for his contributions as an owner? I don't know off the top of my head.

I'm not sure, though I think there have been executives go into the HOF.

 

[Smasher_Sloan]

Ty Cobb, psychotic or not, <b>played</b> baseball and accomplished things on the field.

So, since Peter Gammons didn't play, he shouldn't be in the Hall?

Gammons is not in the Hall. He was given an award that recognizes writers. I'm trying to discern any logic in that argument.

Your point was that Cobb was a psychotic and he's in the Hall. My point is he got in because he's one of the best players in the game.

The case for Steinbrenner, such as it is, is he exploited the new rules of free agency with a bigger bankroll than anyone else. And the case can be made that the Yankees' greatest run of success came when he was least involved in operations.

 

[Smasher_Sloan]

Love him or hate him, Steinbrenner changed baseball in a monumental way and should be in the Hall of Fame.

Marvin Miller changed baseball and should be recognized. Steinbrener was a guy who was in the right place at the right time as his $10 million investment turned into a billion dollar operation because of those changes.

 

[Angola!]

Ty Cobb, psychotic or not, <b>played</b> baseball and accomplished things on the field.

So, since Peter Gammons didn't play, he shouldn't be in the Hall?

Gammons is not in the Hall. He was given an award that recognizes writers. I'm trying to discern any logic in that argument.

Your point was that Cobb was a psychotic and he's in the Hall. My point is he got in because he's one of the best players in the game.

The case for Steinbrenner, such as it is, is he exploited the new rules of free agency with a bigger bankroll than anyone else. And the case can be made that the Yankees' greatest run of success came when he was least involved in operations.

Perhaps Cobb was a poor example, just pointing out that personality has nothing to do with whether someone belongs in the HOF or not.

 

[Angola!]

Love him or hate him, Steinbrenner changed baseball in a monumental way and should be in the Hall of Fame.

Marvin Miller changed baseball and should be recognized. Steinbrener was a guy who was in the right place at the right time as his $10 million investment turned into a billion dollar operation because of those changes.

Right place at the right time? Bull****.

There are plenty of owners as rich as Steinbrenner, I don't remember any of them having a $200 million payroll and reinvesting everything he makes into the team.

He's ****ing crazy and I'm perfectly happy as a Yankees fan that he is no longer in charge, but I think he changed baseball significantly and he should be recognized in the HOF.

 

[Angola!]

Who has been inducted into the Hall for his contributions as an owner? I don't know off the top of my head.

I don't have an answer to this (buckdub?), but from the HOF web site:

What is the difference between a Hall of Famer and an honoree?
A Hall of Famer is a former player, manager, executive, pioneer or umpire who has been inducted into the National Baseball Hall of Fame.

 

[Frank_Ridgeway]

It got tiresome watching the continual recycling of asshole Billy Martin, too. It got to be like pro wrestling.

 

[Smasher_Sloan]

Love him or hate him, Steinbrenner changed baseball in a monumental way and should be in the Hall of Fame.

Marvin Miller changed baseball and should be recognized. Steinbrener was a guy who was in the right place at the right time as his $10 million investment turned into a billion dollar operation because of those changes.

Right place at the right time? Bull****.

There are plenty of owners as rich as Steinbrenner, I don't remember any of them having a $200 million payroll and reinvesting everything he makes into the team.

He's ****ing crazy and I'm perfectly happy as a Yankees fan that he is no longer in charge, but I think he changed baseball significantly and he should be recognized in the HOF.

How do you know he invests "everything" he makes into the team?

Please list all those other owners whose local broadcast rights generate as much as revenue as the Yankees do in New York.