Earl Webb joining Hammerin' Hank?

[HeinekenMan]

Kurkjian, apparently, beat me to the punch on this one. But it appears that Magglio Ordonez is on pace to break the single-season doubles record, which has stood since Earl Webb set the mark back before the construction of the Green Monster in Boston with 67.

Here's Kurkjian's column from June:

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=kurkjian_tim&id=2912019

Of course, Maggs isn't a speedster these days, but I find it odd that he has 34 doubles through 78 games and no triples.

Worth noting is that Ordonez is not alone. Chase Utley has 31. Uggla has 30, and Holliday has 29.

 

[Mayfly]

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/playerHitChart?categoryId=85044

There's Magglio's hit chart. It seems like while playing at Comerica, he isn't putting them enough places to garner triples. Same thing with Jacobs Field and Fenway. I am trying to point out the many parks that are conducive to the three-baggers.

 

[More hideous than Ben Seaver]

In the seven games since Kurkjian wrote this article, Magglio has exactly zero doubles. If he makes it to 60 doubles, that would be extremely impressive, but 67 is probably out of his reach.

 

[buckweaver]

This is one of those crazy records that nobody's ever really even approached lately. I think Biggio or Helton had 57-58 in the last decade, IIRC.

 

[HeinekenMan]

Thanks Mayfly. You just take away those last minutes of idle time I had remaining in my daily routine. I didn't know hit charts were available. Simply amazing. I'm ecstatic.

I don't know much about ballpark dimensions these days. I sort of gave up that education when they started replacing them. But it looks like balls go to die in Comerica's center field.

Buck, yes, Helton and Biggio approached it. But nobody has really been on pace since the strike in '94.

I believe the Kurkjian article touches on that.

 

[spnited]

In the seven games since Kurkjian wrote this article, Magglio has exactly zero doubles. If he makes it to 60 doubles, that would be extremely impressive, but 67 is probably out of his reach.

Proof that writing "Joe Blow is on pace for ..." is a waste of time.
"On pace for" changes every day.

 

[heyabbott]

This is one of those crazy records that nobody's ever really even approached lately. I think Biggio or Helton had 57-58 in the last decade, IIRC.

Helton had 59 & Delgado had 57 in 2000, Garret Anderson and Nomar had 56 in 2002 and Biggio had 56 in 1999.

50 doubles or more in a season has been done 26 times by active players.

Interesting tidbit about triples, of the top 10 active triples leaders, 6 are lefthanded hitters and the other 4 are switch hitters and of the top 15, only 1 is right handed, Reggie Sanders.

 

[Mayfly]

Thanks Mayfly. You just take away those last minutes of idle time I had remaining in my daily routine. I didn't know hit charts were available. Simply amazing. I'm ecstatic.

I don't know much about ballpark dimensions these days. I sort of gave up that education when they started replacing them. But it looks like balls go to die in Comerica's center field.

Buck, yes, Helton and Biggio approached it. But nobody has really been on pace since the strike in '94.

I believe the Kurkjian article touches on that.

I aim to please. Here is something else for your viewing pleasure. The hit charts from the 2005 Home Run Derby in Detroit. You can see just how many balls die in center at Comerica and other things about the park.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/derby05/index#

 

[Fenian_Bastard]

Damn, Mayfly.
That's some fine Internets stuff right there.

 

[Mayfly]

And 60?

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/hitting/hi2b2al.shtml

Four times in the AL including Webb.

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/hitting/hi2b2nl.shtml

And the NL

 

[Mayfly]

Here are Webb's stats...

Look at his 2Bs totals. 30 the year before then 67, then 28. The guy had one great year.

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/player.php?p=webbea01

 

[Simon_Cowbell]

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/playerHitChart?categoryId=85044

There's Magglio's hit chart. It seems like while playing at Comerica, he isn't putting them enough places to garner triples. Same thing with Jacobs Field and Fenway. I am trying to point out the many parks that are conducive to the three-baggers.

Well, massive parks like Comerica, PETCO, Dolphin certainly provide a big advantage for the big boys getting doubles.

 

[Mayfly]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/parkfactor?sort=doublesFactor&season=2007

Okay, I'm reloading [/scarface]


Here's some more stuff for you guys. This breaks down the "doubles factor" according to ESPN.com and other sources. Kind of interesting to see that Magglio is hitting doubles in the 16th best place for two-baggers.

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/playerHitChart?categoryId=85044

There's Magglio's hit chart. It seems like while playing at Comerica, he isn't putting them enough places to garner triples. Same thing with Jacobs Field and Fenway. I am trying to point out the many parks that are conducive to the three-baggers.

Well, massive parks like Comerica, PETCO, Dolphin certainly provide a big advantage for the big boys getting doubles.

PETCO park is actually the last on there for doubles, but pretty high for triples, mainly for that huge right center field. Dolphin Stadium is 12th, while Fenway is 1st and justifiably so with the Green Monster.

 

[Simon_Cowbell]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/parkfactor?sort=doublesFactor&season=2007

Okay, I'm reloading [/scarface]


Here's some more stuff for you guys. This breaks down the "doubles factor" according to ESPN.com and other sources. Kind of interesting to see that Magglio is hitting doubles in the 16th best place for two-baggers.

Those numbers have to be affected by the proficiency of each park's tenant.

Fenway is a small-park anomaly, but the larger the park, all other things held equal, the better a chance for the big guys to get doubles. There is more area down the lines to get them, and more areas in the gaps, even bloop opportunities in front of the OFs.

 

[HeinekenMan]

Well, a friend gave me a copy of the Baseball Chronicle. Some of the information is repetitive, but I've been enjoying it today.

While doing so, I had a thought. Essentially, I became aware that I would rather write/report/research baseball than anything else in the world. This is the sort of thread that obviously attracts baseball fanatics. Out of curiosity, how many folks out there are professional fanatics?

I think I'd like to follow this dream of writing about baseball, and I'm interested in finding out how to get started in this niche market. I'd love to see some PMs from people who write about baseball for such things as the Baseball Chronicle and the Prospectus.

 

[Mayfly]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/parkfactor?sort=doublesFactor&season=2007

Okay, I'm reloading [/scarface]


Here's some more stuff for you guys. This breaks down the "doubles factor" according to ESPN.com and other sources. Kind of interesting to see that Magglio is hitting doubles in the 16th best place for two-baggers.

Those numbers have to be affected by the proficiency of each park's tenant.

Fenway is a small-park anomaly, but the larger the park, all other things held equal, the better a chance for the big guys to get doubles. There is more area down the lines to get them, and more areas in the gaps, even bloop opportunities in front of the OFs.

Simon, I can see what you mean, but isn't a game played between two teams? So just one tenant will not have to matter that much. A park will play how a park plays, for both teams.

Fenway is an anomaly because of the Green Monster and Pesky's Pole. If a right-handed hitter or a lefty for that matter puts the ball high off of the Monster, and the runner isn't slower than Barbaro with a broken leg, they'll coast into second.

 

[buckweaver]

Fenway is a small-park anomaly, but the larger the park, all other things held equal, the better a chance for the big guys to get doubles. There is more area down the lines to get them, and more areas in the gaps, even bloop opportunities in front of the OFs.

But the way parks are built nowadays, all other things are almost never equal. How many symmetrical parks are there anymore? Dodger Stadium, Oakland ...

Fenway's not as much of an anomaly when you consider all the nooks and crannies and crazy dimensions at other parks.

 

[Hank_Scorpio]

I aim to please. Here is something else for your viewing pleasure. The hit charts from the 2005 Home Run Derby in Detroit. You can see just how many balls die in center at Comerica and other things about the park.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/derby05/index#

Remember since that All-Star game, the fences have been pulled in a bit (altho CF remains the same distance.

 

[Chi City 81]

Fenway is a small-park anomaly, but the larger the park, all other things held equal, the better a chance for the big guys to get doubles. There is more area down the lines to get them, and more areas in the gaps, even bloop opportunities in front of the OFs.

But the way parks are built nowadays, all other things are almost never equal. How many symmetrical parks are there anymore? Dodger Stadium, Oakland ...

Fenway's not as much of an anomaly when you consider all the nooks and crannies and crazy dimensions at other parks.

Despite its relative symmetry, isn't Wrigley pretty conducive to doubles and triples due to the walls and corners? At least, it has been in my experience.

 

[Mayfly]

Fenway is a small-park anomaly, but the larger the park, all other things held equal, the better a chance for the big guys to get doubles. There is more area down the lines to get them, and more areas in the gaps, even bloop opportunities in front of the OFs.

But the way parks are built nowadays, all other things are almost never equal. How many symmetrical parks are there anymore? Dodger Stadium, Oakland ...

Fenway's not as much of an anomaly when you consider all the nooks and crannies and crazy dimensions at other parks.

Metrodome is pretty eqaul. Shea as well. The Vet was. Funny thing is, most of those "equal" stadiums are all going to be torn down soon to make way for new stadiums. The Vet already was.