Dan Uggla, worst All-Star performance ever?

[Steak Snabler]

Yankee Stadium seems to eat up some 2nd basemen- see Steve Sax and Chuck Knobloch

Sax's defense was a problem well before he got to Yankee Stadium. He had 30 errors with the Dodgers in 1983.

 

[a_rosenthal]

Guzman, 2005: 219/260/314. Dude's the rich man's Neifi Perez.

Exactly.

No question Guzman played a better game last night than Uggla. Also no question Uggla is the superior player.

Guzman career: .268/.305/.382
Perez career: .267/.297/.375

Perez has about 800 more ABs than Guzman. Check back in two seasons and Guzman will be below Perez.

Perez had at least four seasons in Coors Field during his career. Guzman is significantly better.

That said, Uggla was having a flukey season to begin with. He's a guy who strikes out a ton and hits for power. In the first half, he got lucky and his average was higher than it will be when the season is finished. He's a horrible defensive player.

 

[pallister]

I think Brian Roberts has something to say about that.

Even 9- and 10-year-olds know that's ridiculous.

 

[cranberry]

Uggla has more power than Roberts but, best I can tell, Roberts is the superior player in EVERY other aspect of the game. Brian is also one of the smarter (from a baseball standpoint) players in the game.

 

[outofplace]

Uggla has more power than Roberts but, best I can tell, Roberts is the superior player in EVERY other aspect of the game. Brian is also one of the smarter (from a baseball standpoint) players in the game.

I don't know about the baseball smarts one way or another, but Roberts is a much better defensive player than the other elite second basemen we are talking about on this thread. Utley is decent with the glove. Uggla and Kinsler are well below decent, though I think Kinsler is more likely to become a decent defender with more experience.

 

[cranberry]

Baseball is in his blood. Brian's dad, Mike, was his coach at the University of North Carolina. I believe Mike's coaching in the Cape Cod League now.

 

[Oz]

Not too long ago, there was an SportsJournalists.com debate as to who the better second baseman was, Utley or Uggla. I would say last night's performance closes the door on that one. Brutal, brutal defense.

 

[Herbert Anchovy]

Sax had that mental block Dale Murphy had when he was a catcher. He could make the play cleanly, he couldn't make the throw.

 

[cranberry]

Not too long ago, there was an SportsJournalists.com debate as to who the better second baseman was, Utley or Uggla. I would say last night's performance closes the door on that one. Brutal, brutal defense.

Hanley Ramirez needs to take a lot more groundballs, too.

 

[JBHawkEye]

Uggla's performance last night doesn't top the Hammaker debacle from 1983.

 

[outofplace]

Not too long ago, there was an SportsJournalists.com debate as to who the better second baseman was, Utley or Uggla. I would say last night's performance closes the door on that one. Brutal, brutal defense.

Paging Simon_Cowbell...

 

[mike311gd]

Guzman deserved to be in there, and there shouldn't be one debate about it. He's the NL hit leader -- second overall -- and is hitting .313 (seventh) with 26 doubles (fourth). He's not a great player, but he's having a tremendous season -- no matter the team and how many representatives it needs.

 

[mike311gd]

Oh, and Dan Uggla's performance was hilariously awful. He's much, much better than that. But sometimes the ball finds you when you're in a slump. That's baseball. That's why it's the greatest game in the world.

 

[Moderator1]

Guzman deserved to be in there, and there shouldn't be one debate about it. He's the NL hit leader -- second overall -- and is hitting .313 (seventh) with 26 doubles (fourth). He's not a great player, but he's having a tremendous season -- no matter the team and how many representatives it needs.

Mike, Mike, Mike. You are confusing the issue with normal every day stats.
You read the earlier posts. His OBGYH and PMS factors aren't that good and his HISBUSCIS quotient is tilted right and his ROMIF is pretty low. Therefore, he must suck.

 

[mike311gd]

Guzman deserved to be in there, and there shouldn't be one debate about it. He's the NL hit leader -- second overall -- and is hitting .313 (seventh) with 26 doubles (fourth). He's not a great player, but he's having a tremendous season -- no matter the team and how many representatives it needs.

Mike, Mike, Mike. You are confusing the issue with normal every day stats.
You read the earlier posts. His OBGYH and PMS factors aren't that good and his HISBUSCIS quotient is tilted right and his ROMIF is pretty low. Therefore, he must suck.

Oh, man. I always do that. My bad.

I'll go back to my den and think about what I've done.

 

[Moderator1]

Please. And look up his FUGLYMUTHA splits while you are back there. It may shed some new light on the whole debate. I don't think his SMEGMA load is too great, either. But his PINGOMATIC numbers were really good last time I whipped out the ol' abacus.

 

[mike311gd]

I think you need a new hobby.

 

[Moderator1]

No, figuring out HIBERTHA Excelsiors so I can learn a little baseball takes all my time.

 

[jakewriter82]

Please. And look up his FUGLYMUTHA splits while you are back there. It may shed some new light on the whole debate. I don't think his SMEGMA load is too great, either. But his PINGOMATIC numbers were really good last time I whipped out the ol' abacus.

Actually after last night his FUGLYMUTHA numbers are up near the top of the league. That's baseball for ya.
I happen to be a pro in that particular stat.
You wouldn't think that'd be possible with an exhibition game, but, that's what you get for thinking. Once FUGLYMUTHA starts there's no stopping it. No "off" switch.

 

[outofplace]

Clever. Some posters do get into some ridiculous statistics on this site on occasion...but I really don't think using on-base perentage or slugging is that out of line. One reason Guzman leads the NL in hits is that he draws very few walks (only 16 so far).

Still, I thought he was deserving of a spot and it is ridiculous to use his numbers from previous seasons to argue otherwise.