Boulder, CO Molotov cocktail attack

[MileHigh]

https://abcnews.go.com/US/boulder-a...uy-handgun-november-denied/story?id=122477783

 

[micropolitan guy]

The guy himself says he did it. He took credit.

And under the laws of this country, he is still innocent until proven guilty. Just in case you forgot.

 

[Batman]

The guy himself says he did it. He took credit.

Aren't there also multiple witnesses who confronted the guy at the scene? And video of him committing the attack?
This doesn't seem like the facts of the case are in question, even at this early stage.

 

[Alma]

And under the laws of this country, he is still innocent until proven guilty. Just in case you forgot.

So what makes Kristi Noem's comments different than, say, Biden's related to any crime he commented on before a verdict was in?

To make this particular story about some verbal misstep seems beside the point.

 

[micropolitan guy]

So what makes Kristi Noem's comments different than, say, Biden's related to any crime he commented on before a verdict was in?

To make this particular story about some verbal misstep seems beside the point.

I don't remember Biden declaring a defendant guilty before he'd even gone on trial. But you know, whataboutism.

 

[Alma]

I don't remember Biden declaring a defendant guilty before he'd even gone on trial. But you know, whataboutism.

So, even if Biden did it - which he did, rightly, with the monstrous terrorist shooter in Buffalo - it’s an invalid point because it’s whataboutism?

If the larger point is Kristi Noem is a bad, well, no argument. I’m just not sure she’s a bad related to this issue.

 

[Smallpotatoes]

So, even if Biden did it - which he did, rightly, with the monstrous terrorist shooter in Buffalo - it's an invalid point because it's whataboutism?

If the larger point is Kristi Noem is a bad, well, no argument. I'm just not sure she's a bad related to this issue.

Whataboutism is always invalid.

 

[Justin_Rice]

This is why anyone - and especially the government - should tread carefully when they're racing to the media to proclaim someone's guilt.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/03/us/immigrant-milwaukee-threat.html

 

[swingline]

This is why anyone - and especially the government - should tread carefully when they're racing to the media to proclaim someone's guilt.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/03/us/immigrant-milwaukee-threat.html

See, Atlanta Olympics.

 

[Baron Scicluna]

So, even if Biden did it - which he did, rightly, with the monstrous terrorist shooter in Buffalo - it's an invalid point because it's whataboutism?

If the larger point is Kristi Noem is a bad, well, no argument. I'm just not sure she's a bad related to this issue.

Biden referred to the Buffalo shooting as an act of terrorism and white supremacy. I don’t believe he specifically claimed the accused was a terrorist and a white supremacist. He didn’t declare him guilty before the trial. That’s the difference.

 

[swingline]

Don't go flinging your "facts" at Alma.

 

[Alma]

Biden referred to the Buffalo shooting as an act of terrorism and white supremacy. I don't believe he specifically claimed the accused was a terrorist and a white supremacist. He didn't declare him guilty before the trial. That's the difference.

"Ten lives cut short in a grocery store, three other wounded by a hate-filled individual who had driven 200 miles from Binghamton to carry out a murderous, racist rampage that he would live stream - live stream - to the world."

To be clear: I had zero problem with what Biden said. None. Everything he said was true.

But, you know what? Even suggesting Biden and Noem could be operating in the same principle is a mistake in this thread. I'm preaching against the choir, so to speak.

If anyone wants to view this awful attack through the lens of Kristi Noem being a key secondary villain who's violating civil rights, I can't stop them.

 

[BTExpress]

Whataboutism is always invalid.

Whataboutism is used all the time in court cases. That's how you show precedent to prove your case.

This is why anyone - and especially the government - should tread carefully when they're racing to the media to proclaim someone's guilt.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/03/us/immigrant-milwaukee-threat.html

 

[Smallpotatoes]

Whataboutism is used all the time in court cases. That's how you show precedent to prove your case.

So the fact that someone else did kinda, sorta the same thing and was acquitted is grounds for acquittal?